WPATH leaks

“WPATH is and has always been a science- and evidence-based organization whose recommendations are widely endorsed by major medical organizations around the world."

This is what is conventionally known (and in the case of this Side of History, rather appropriately) as a "circle jerk".

I have to turn off my wifi and go onto data mobile to access it. otherwise my phone will not show it.

doesn't work for me :(

Watching the Wpath video. Dr Dan Metzger, Paediatric Endocrinologist at the BC Children’s Hospital in Vancouver and a Clinical Professor of Paediatrics at University of British Colombia is speaking about how talking to 14-year-olds about fertility preservation is like talking to a blank wall.

He mentions Dutch data on young adults who had transitioned and reproductive regret. ‘It’s there, And I don’t think any of that surprises us.' But then he waves his hands around and says 'I don’t remember any of the numbers or anything…..'. It appears these are not important in his and Wpath’s view.

But the thing that hit me is when he talks about his young patients.
‘The 14-year-olds…Informed consent is still a big lacuna... we try to talk about it but most of the kids are nowhere in any kind of a brain space to really, really, really talk about it in a serious way. That's always bothered me but you know, we still want the kids to be happier in the moment, right?'

Enabling a 14-year-old to be ‘happier in the moment’ used to mean giving in and letting them have another hour on the Xbox or eat too much ice cream, not starting them down a (W)path to have bits of their body chopped off.

All responses are useful, imo!

FFS. So... on one hand 'dull and rather mundane'..... in the next sentence 'edge cases'.

It is fuckwittery. Fuckwittery I tell you.

And the funniest thing is the dismissal of the fact that Schellenberger and the others plus Genspect had the information for months before releasing. Yet.... Genspect is listed straight after this sentence:

'The files were quickly shared by nearly every major anti-trans organization and journalists aligned with them. Genspect described it as “one of the worst medical scandals in history.” '

I remember Read denouncing Jamie Reid's whistle blower expose. Read stated that Jamie had no clinical experience and or qualifications. Yet Jamie was working in a gender clinic at the time.... AND that Jamie was obviously anti-trans. When Jamie is in a relationship with a female who identifies as a man.

That was the level of investigative reporting that we should expect from Read.

I never did get an answer from our illustrious barrister poster as to whether they’d be confident putting Erin Read on the stand to testify about the strengths of the affirmative medical model🤔

I love the fact that several extreme transgender right activists have tried to use the 'decontextualised' argument.

Read wrote: 'In this highly editorialized document, select decontextualized images of forum posts from the World Professional Association for Transgender Health were made public.'

Seriously? They think that adding context to the interactions will make a difference to what they have said and written?

These people do live in an unrealistic world. They honestly believe that if you just say stuff, it becomes material reality.

But hey, Read is on the case! At least one of our regular posters will be happy as they consider Read to be the epitome of an investigative journalist and truth!

Do you ever wonder if such posters apply different standards when buying cars or interviewing contractors for necessary work? </merail>

As a side note, I once spent 3 weeks checking the errors in one sentence of something that I was reviewing. That was because some of the reference material wasn't online. I had to go to the British Library to see the item because it wasn't available via interlibrary loan within a reasonable timescale.

Depending on stats, it can sometimes take about a week to run a batch process on a model.

A long way to say that I'm envious startled that Read has carried out what is obviously detailed, forensic fact-checking of 216 items in this time. Unless Read crowdsourced it and has done some quality assurance work.

Looked into Erin's credentials recently. Claims to be a journalist.

Only experience apart from two short articles online, appears to be several years on 'The American Independent'.

The AI was described as a 'pink slime' or 'pseudo news' outlet by NewsGuard and Axios.

'...rather mundane and often almost dull exchanges between doctors, psychologists, and therapists. These professionals are seen asking about edge cases and seeking advice from colleagues on patient circumstances. Despite attempts to cast the messages in a negative light, the report significantly misses the mark. In a thorough fact-check of the document, I have uncovered 216 instances of factual inaccuracies, erroneous citations, misinterpretations of what is “leaked,” and purposeful omissions contradicting the authors central editorialized claims'

Erin's take.

Sorry for all the cross posting.

A rebuttal is great news. The BBC and the Guardian can report on that.

As the Guardian did on the Wi Spa controversy, a character assassination on Cubana Angel, the woman calling out the male sex offender, iirc.

https://archive.is/nfJ

Yay. Archive links are back again!!!!

I honestly hope that, too. Realisation for people who've been treated, mistreated like this would be so painful.

Then again, so is the queasy cognitive dissonance of living a lie.

Whatever happens, I hope Jazz finds a way to have a fulfilling life. And I do wish the family would stop self publicising. It's not healthy.

Well here is a rebuttal.

there is an archive version, I will post that link below in case the archive link gets hidden by MN.

But hey, Read is on the case! At least one of our regular posters will be happy as they consider Read to be the epitome of an investigative journalist and truth! While Read describes themselves as a mother. Which is false from the get go.

https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/fact-check-216-instances-of-factual

I haven't read this yet but apparently

Erin reed has "fact checked" the document.

https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/fact-check-216-instances-of-factual?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

apparently it has been Fact Checked - not sure by whom or what their credentials are, but the WPATH files being released is now being touted as transphobic scare mongering.

Benjamin Ryan on X: "Erin Reed @ErinInTheMorn took under 30 hours to apply her famous red line to the 216-page WPATH Files report: t.co/rWdi1mFMQV t.co/2mIVRh1M26" / X (twitter.com)

I'm expecting the BBC and the Guardian will wait until someone finds a detail in the report that's not quite correct (in 70-odd pages there must be one!) or an individual invoved in the leak or report who once did something questionable or a missed bit of whistleblowing process, and then lead off on "nasty transphobe steals confidential material and misrepresents it to smear ground-breaking WPATH clinicians and advocates. And oh yeah, WPATH might be a bit controversial now".

Just hoping that the Times gets in there! People who dismiss the Telegraph, Mail and GB News respect the Times.

Jazz will need to accept that his mother is a monster. I almost hope he doesn’t have this revelation and can live a quiet oblivious life.

It would be so satisfying to have the person responsible for so much pain and unnecessary suffering to be held to account. But even if Jazz Jennings had any tiny middle of the night private regrets, it would take an incredibly strong person to publicly accept that they’ve made a tragic and permanent mistake and the life they’ve been living is all a damning and damaging lie.

But Bowers themselves has already acknowledged the experimental nature of these surgeries. After those quotes came out from that interview, I honestly thought that Bowers would have been asked to vacate the President role. But Bowers just continued like Bowers’ had not just removed a chunk out of the foundations with those comments.

And it seemed like no one took notice except that behind the scenes after Keira Bell’s case, the country’s medical boards just started their own reviews and quietly made statements.

The WHO quietly making the statement about weak evidence seems to have not filtered through either. We still have posters coming and plonking down that fucked up Cornell list of supposed evidence. Being kind really had led to being ignorant.

Especially as the surgery was televised.

I imagine Bowers is secretly terrified. If Jazz Jennings has an epiphany - if not so already - and has the bravery to seek restitution for the harm Bowers has caused Jennings, then Bowers could be facing very serious consequences.