"The era of “no debate” must end", Andrew Doyle, contains excellent live video of Chester Storyhouse’s “Women Weekend”, Where all GCs had been disinvited

The women were protesting because they were barred from attending after they had previously arranged to attend.

It shouldn't be that hard to go and do some research as to why they were protesting.

You seem confused. Nobody was protesting about toilets.

And who got what shut down?

The fundamental issue here is though the framing. Where trans reality is seen as a "belief system" rather than something fundamental to the individual's makeup. In the past being lesbian or gay was pitched as a belief system, or a choice.

So pitching someone's reality as a belief system, to be debated, is very poor framing.

Surely some of you must be able to see the echos' of time and ghosts of the past - the same tropes - being brought down on trans people being seen as today's scourge on society? I feel sorry for those that have this condition being constantly put through this. Their lives must be terrible.

I wonder who will be next after the trans people? Seems an inherent trait of being human to want to punch down on others.

Yep and if caring about vulnerable women’s safety and dignity is “dangerous” to trans people, there’s a clear conflict of interest between gender ideology and women’s rights. Silencing debate will not make these issues go away.

I suspect that if we look back through history - any debate, or view point where an argument can only be supported through violence / harassment / closing down debate / etc. will be seen to be a view point that destroys society rather than building it up...

Occasions like this are horrific examples of intolerance - but the intolerance is only in the one direction (against women / GC views) alongside a dose of gaslighting to try and pretend that the intolerance is in the other direction...

however the one bright light in all of this is that by pushing so hard and so unreasonably against logical argument the pro-trans-activist lobby do more to damage their own position than they realise...

What on earth do the venue toilet arrangements have to do with anything?
Women who advocate for women (XX, natal, biological - however you wish to define it) were barred from attending, and silenced despite eloquently explaining their concerns.

I used to live fairly locally to this. Apparently they had the event closed down. Thats not opening debate

That venue has single sex toilets
Gender neutal toilets
baby changing units
And disabled toilets

They were perplexed at why they were demonstrating against them as they are inclusive

It's a toddler level response. I don't like what you're saying - you're LITERALLY killing me with your NASTY WORDS!

I'd like the person on stage to explain how a wheelchair bound disabled woman wanting single sex care or a woman in prison wanting no men with erections in her showers is contributing to the murder of transpeople (less likely to be murdered than almost any other demographic group in the UK) - in clear logical steps.

This should be shown on national TV - it would peak the nation.

It's such stupid DARVO - disabled women not getting single sex care and women prisoners with violent men in their showers are the ones suffering real harms right now. I see no possible reason to think that their desire for single sex care or spaces affects transpeople in any way whatsoever unless those transpeople want to step right over those women's boundaries and rights.

So interesting that all the speaker can do is reframe speaking about vulnerable women as "harming trans people"

I pointed out on the Helen Joyce thread that as #nodebate has ended all transactivists now have is to try to "shame" people out of safeguarding - "you're being unkind, mean, causing harm. Leave - don't speak".

It just shows the intellectual and moral vacuum at the heart of this ideology.

Chilling. The councillor explained that the women peacefully protesting outside didn’t want to be out there but had been disinvited. She explained about the need for single-sex rape crisis support, the right for disabled women to access same-sex intimate care, the right for women in custody to not face being strip-searched by male people who identify as female. The right for rape victims to not have to refer to their abuser in court as “she”.

The response from the woman on the stage was: “So, when I say I agree with the freedom of speech… as long as you’re not hurting anyone. And what people are doing is being transphobic and perpetuating ideas that are dangerous and lead to trans people being murdered. Please leave…”

if the only way you are allowed to advocate for women is without saying anything that any man doesn't like then you aren't allowed to advocate for women.

The clip of the councillor was chilling. Completely shut down, then 'encouraged' to leave. Wonder if the TRAs will start badgering her employer, calling for her to be sacked?

The concept of “no debate” is incompatible with a democratic and liberal society. Reasonable people are never persuaded by threats, intimidation or censorship, and so ultimately the tactics of these activists will ensure their own failure.

Totally agree with him on this.

Thanks Alpharius, good article and ditto clip of a courageous GC local councillor facing #nodebate. From that, it looked like there were more women protesting outside than listening to the TWAW mantra inside.