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Mention of dangerous Terf-led lesbian bar

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QuetzalTerfLus · 03/03/2024 11:38

Article here on a new trans-inclusive “lesbian” bar, with nice dig at the horrid old lesbians who may not want men in their spaces.

I guess this is an opinion / review piece but still quite surprising to see “Terf” being used in mainstream press. And I thought the Standard had undertaken to be balanced in its journalism.

https://www.standard.co.uk/going-out/london-lesbian-bar-la-camionera-tiktok-b1142159.html

How can London have only one lesbian bar?

New venue La Camionera was long overdue, says Isobel Van Dyke

https://www.standard.co.uk/going-out/london-lesbian-bar-la-camionera-tiktok-b1142159.html

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Froodwithatowel · 03/03/2024 13:02

There's never any live and let live in this political lobby, is there? There can't be a facility that they shrug and say 'not for me', it has to be either forced to comply or stamped out of existence. They can't leave anything alone.

The rabid intolerance and the obsessive overinvolvement to try and control everything is what is going to bring this political movement down. It's shooting itself constantly in the foot when a less extremist, intolerant political outlook would do just fine.

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BlackForestCake · 03/03/2024 12:34

I suppose there are quite a few straight women who would like to go to a women-only bar, given all the experiences of unwanted attention in mixed bars. Perhaps someone should start one of those too.

jeaux90 · 03/03/2024 12:32

I'm a straight woman. How do we show solidarity with the new lesbian bar/society when it opens?

I guess if it does get TRA/MRA protesters we would need to show up in force as women?

IncompleteSenten · 03/03/2024 12:29

The bar will be protested by the tra's to such an extent that women will feel unsafe to go there.

ZeldaFighter · 03/03/2024 12:27

Well, the proof will be in the pudding! If the "terf" bar is shunned by lesbians, then she's right. If it's a roaring success and no one ever goes to La Campionera ever again....

Sometimes the parallels with irresponsible dog owners strikes me - a huge, scary dog runs up to you off it's lead, while it's useless owners shout "it's alright, he won't hurt you!" Like they know or could stop it if the dog did hurt you.

My point being that their rights and their dog's right to be off the lead trumps your right to walk around without being accosted by potentially dangerous animals. Just because the dog is your pet and you think they're harmless doesn't mean it is and doesn't mean they have the right to ignore your discomfort. I see the same sense of entitlement in aspects of the trans debates.

IncompleteSenten · 03/03/2024 12:10

The trans movement is hugely homophobic and it is staggering that this isn't widely recognised.

BlackForestCake · 03/03/2024 12:06

There is only one lesbian bar because idiots like Isobel van Dyke helped men to colonise them all.