Restoring Sanity Takes Time - Helen Joyce

I have no idea if it was the text she found arousing, but based on what she said, it’s probably something very similar. I mean, she’s still reading it two years later, so she must be preparing a treatise in it.

And when I say “have sex” I mean “fuck”. With all the porn tropes of slapping, spitting, reaming, choking; the same gut-churning emphasis on the volume of ejaculate and other bodily secretions; the same very young women portrayed as cock-hungry collections of holes to be not just penetrated but “rammed” and “destroyed”; the same miserable, degrading, joyless, loveless stuff that has taken up residence in far too many young men’s heads via online porn, and that growing numbers of young women report is destroying their love lives. It inspires a mixture of disgust and arousal—a powerful and particularly unpleasant emotional state

Will get back to those who asked about discrimination in the workplace on Monday.

No indeed, the issue is entitled males trying to police women's perfectly legal behaviour. It's good you recognise that.

You’re right. It’s font size which is the issue here.

Let's be honest, is it the sexual content that's an issue for activists or the bit about it being Evil Harry Potter?

Also, there was no outrage targeted at the woman (?) who wrote it. Because they all love that stuff.

Look at the photos. I couldn't read someone's phone from that distance. HJ had her privacy invaded by an entitled male who thinks he is free to do that because she has the temerity not to agree with his beliefs, and you think she is in the wrong, not him. PPs comparison to the Taliban was apt.

Some will and some won't, that's why it's best to be mindful about what is on your screen whilst in a public space.

HP fan fiction not likely to be consumer by those questioning their gender!
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The number of trans boy Reg kinnies in the world disagree.

Seriously, go to tumblr. Search the "marauders" tag - it is almost entirely LGBTQIA+ anti JKR, Terfs DNI, and filled with headcanons where canonically straight men are now in gay relationships, but where one of them has been massively feminised beyond all recognition. Or is a trans boy - but its a secret and the relationship is still gay.

It is a fandom almost entirely populated with girls identifying as boys and writing their wish fulfilment fantasies into their slash fanfics. This is what HJ is researching.

You embarrass yourself when you clearly display how much you do not know what you are talking about.

And do they peruse the phone screens of strangers whilst doing so?

So just to be clear, your take from the below is that women looking at legal material on their phones in trains are the problem in this scenario? Not a man invading a group of women's privacy? Not a man taking non consented photos of a strangers phone screen from across a train? Not a man who by his own admission, didn't speak to them at the time not because he had any awareness that he was in the wrong, but because he 'didn't want to look like a man shouting at some ladies'. Random men on public transport have the right to judge what women look at on their phone now,do they?

What 'needs to be looked into' is a man who thinks that's ok, not a woman looking at her own bloody phone.

Children travel on trains, it's a pretty common phenomena.

What assertions might they be Captain Disingenuous?

Please point out the minors who were around?

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Your faux outrage doesn't cut it - especially given your absence on threads where safeguarding, VAWG are discussed. You know - as everyone does - that she was stalked & her privacy invaded by a creepy man desperate to find anything to discredit her. Faux attempts to smear Helen really don't cut it on here.

To repeat - the men policing women's thoughts, reading and phones are the Taliban so am a bit surprised to see that type of policing advocated for by any poster on here.

I'm loving the puritanical pearl clutching over fanfiction that TRAs are now going for because a notorious terf was seen reading some (for research - but IDGAF if she was reading it because she likes it, there's nothing wrong with fanfic).

The HP fanfic community is absolutely swamped with TRAS - putting in their nasty little disclaimers about how much they hate JKR and don't agree with ANY of her views... before they go on to write a story based entirely in the world she gave them. And they love to write about the importance of ao3 being an archive where anything is allowed because of freedom of speech, and how deeply disturbing things written there might be someone processing their trauma and this is a valid outlet for that, and liking to write and read dark and disturbing things does not mean you condone it in real life or are a dangerous person, and no one must ever ever kinkshame.

Fanfic is absolutely a TRA space (hence why there is a fanfic to trans pipeline, which HJ is researching)... so for them to be so morally outraged that she is reading fanfic is like they've started eating their own face. Either there is a lot of hypocrisy going on here, or HJ has just inadvertently created a massive schism within the movement, and they will end up tearing each other apart on whether fanfic is morally reprehensible or not.

HP fan fiction not likely to be consumer by those questioning their gender!

On the basis of what research? I do read HP fanfic and non-HP fanfic. FFN might not be so bad for this, but AO3 fic with characters claiming gender identities, trans characters, characters generally espousing views we might term 'TRA views' are not usual. You mistake the negative (often vitriolic) attitudes towards JKR by such a group with negative views towards HP in general.

And as the TRAs have pointed out. HP fan fiction not likely to be consumer by those questioning their gender! Has a bit of a disconnect I think with those in that community again due to the stance of the author, which many on here will applaud, and her body of work.

Nonsense - they decided pretty quickly that they now owned Harry Potter et al and that leaching off JKR's work was the moral thing to do.

It actually does matter when people are either misinformed or simply lying about what a woman has said.

Although I believe the Taliban are now banning women from phone use & contacting the media so they're in sync with some men world wide.

No one wants to ban HJ from using her phone, if she wants to read erotic school child material just do so away from minors.

No it's not a distraction. Her arguments we can criticise separately. But what happened there does need full review to determine if such material is suitable for consumption., At the very least, it calls into questions of bad judgement, and whether she should be near children until cleared.

The messages and the writer - hard to distinguish. I know of no scholarly undertaking that would allow that sort of research.

And as the TRAs have pointed out. HP fan fiction not likely to be consumer by those questioning their gender! Has a bit of a disconnect I think with those in that community again due to the stance of the author, which many on here will applaud, and her body of work.

I do hope this is investigated so she can clear her name of any assertions being made.

It doesn't matter. No-one should be consuming such things - especially in public. I mean that TRA, if it was one? I guess so who took the screen shots. Was pretty easy to read. Careless in the least. It does need to be looked into, and if she is cleared then so be it.

Oh I don't agree with it at all. But you can't hold yourself up as a moral crusader, while delving into that sort of material. Not even sure if it is legal to do so, and certainly not on a public train. I can see her being side-lined from here while others step up to engage. Everytime now she speaks, there will be TRAs questioning her very foundation. Can't wait for her researched Harry Potter fan fiction podcast drops....!

She did not describe that particular text as arousing.

Lols. No point getting into arguments with those who are so embedded in their point of view. Still, who does research on that kind of material, on a public train? There are some serious questions to be answered.

It’s not all manifestations of belief which are not legal, it’s discriminatory manifestation in a work context.

So what is discriminatory manifestation in a work context? Asking your employer to provide female single sex toilets? Objecting to surveys on why there is little female management asking for gender? (I did that, got a load of waffle back, I told them why their waffle would never get them any insights why women don't even apply for managerial positions, they didn't listen, still no female management)
Telling the DEI head that him, a white male, was probably not in the best position to comment on making maternity leave policies 'gender neutral'? Having a discussion during lunch break about the idiocy of males in female sports team (everybody agreed btw that it was stupid and dangerous)?

None of the these are illegal or discriminatory. So I am curious what you think is, @DadJoke