Elon Musk and new pronoun rules on Twitter

Because humans can’t change sex therefore we are being forced to lie, that’s compelled speech. Anyone can believe what they like, but they can’t force me to believe it too, and we shouldn’t be forced to pretend that we do in order to avoid upsetting someone else’s delusions.

This use of “correct” or “incorrect” really gets on my nerves. Since when did the use of third person pronouns based on someone’s sex become “incorrect”, because that person would prefer me to call him “she”? For the first five decades of my life it was absolutely clear that third person pronouns reflected the sex of the person referred to, not what that person sees his or her “gender identity” as. That usage really hasn’t become incorrect because a younger generation insists that it has, any more than “wicked” has lost its old meaning just because some young people use it as a term meaning “wonderful”.

You’d hope so, given how rude it would be to use pronouns that differ from the ones you use for yourself.

Or to be polite: One would hope so, given how rude it would be to use pronouns different from the ones I use for myself.

Thats not going to cause any confusion.

Musk's decisions are based purely on his own ego. He isn't on anybody's "side" but his own.

I call myself ‘me’. Can I expect there to be a reply from you along the lines of “I don’t agree with me”?

Thank you. I'm not on twitter so can only see the immediate bit that's linked, rather than the whole bit.

He was replying to the tweet shown in the screenshot I've attached

It's one of those moments when I pause to goggle that suddenly, so suddenly, I live in a world where it's actually considered hateful to speak a very, very simple and basic fact. A fact. To the point of courts getting involved to make people lie about and hide this fact.

Wtf other facts are suddenly going to become illegal to speak aloud?

That post just says Fixing. Can you remember what it said?

My very basic 4 letter name is also open to about 4 or 5 different pronunciations and that is with native English speakers. It never even occurred to me to bother correcting someone.

Particularly if it is someone who has English as a second language and is relying on their own understanding of the English language pronunciation.

Obviously I should have been correcting people and been more insistent my chosen pronunciation.

People pronounce my 5 letter name a myriad of ways.
I find it pointless to be offended.

If this is the biggest problem in someones life,then they are doing well.

I now joke about some of the better pronunciations.

My confusion is that the policy is not ring marked as just Brazil. It seems to have been rolled out to everyone. Ie. I found it very easily and it doesn’t say anything about being for Brazil only.

So, either this team that we are supposed to believe is a ‘new’ and fairer team that will be managing the fairest Twitter moderators ever? or the team has taken the events in one country in the world and used it to drastically over reach and roll it out in every country the first opportunity they could and figured they could get away with it?

I wonder what is going to happen now? What is Elon going to do?

Elon has clarified - it seems this is mandated after a court case in Brazil, and on,y applies to Brazil. X are appealing.

There really seems no symmetry given here. It all seems to be one way only and that is ‘it is not that hard, just be nice and give the person the comfort of thinking they have truly changed sex. That the rest of the world supports their philosophical view on life. Nothing else should matter. Just do it! Why is it so hard!’

Meanwhile, women are describing the ways this opens women and girls to harm and being dismissed. Or told they are exaggerating the repercussions because ‘well, ‘I’ don’t interpret it like that.’ It is one step away from making accusations about being hysterical.

Meanwhile, no coherent reason to prioritise pronouns over material reality has been presented. It is truly all based on emotion and emotional manipulation.

'Cry bullying' was mentioned in a recent court case. It's relevant. When someone coerces and controls (and enlists others to get you in line) because of claiming fragility and distress caused by you and your refusals to comply with what they want?

It's not a good thing.

If someone’s pronouns are they/them and you’re constantly finding a way to refer to them as he/him or she/her to piss them off, why should that be allowed?

If someone's chosen unusual pronouns they would like everyone to use for them and is constantly working on you to comply with their control of your language and jump through the hoops they require - without interest in what barriers this presents to you, never mind how pissed off you are or how you feel about saying things you perceive as not only a forced lie against your beliefs but a deeply harmful lie? Why should that be allowed?

Why is the trans person the only one who's thoughts, feelings, needs, wishes and preferences matter here? And why do they have no responsibilities to others at all, while everyone else supposedly has all these responsibilities towards them?

If I requested to be called "fucking twat" all the time, even in person, you'd have no problem addressing me as such? Even in front of children?

It's fun, it's different!!

Totally fine.

If I requested to be called "fucking twat" all the time, even in person, you'd have no problem addressing me as such? Even in front of children?

So we should call convicted male rapists and murderers "she" and have no problems with their crimes being recorded as female crimes because they say so? Do you always do as you're told? Are you incapable of thinking for yourself?

This would be excellent for all outside of Brazil if true. I hope so. But crap for Brazil, mind you.

I view males who demand people use female pronouns for them to not be as harmless as some
posters which to portray them. Because it leads to not just justifying policy decisions but also ambiguous communications that can cause misinformation and harm in their own way. I don’t regard it as ‘foolishness’. Foolishness would imply that not one of those male people had a political agenda that meant harming female people.

I am ‘passionate’ about the topic on the Feminine Chat: Sex and Gender discussion board because I have seen how dismissing pronouns can be harmful. I have attempted to explain how this new policy can also be harmful to women who are trying to campaign on Twitter.

I am not ‘deadest’ on misinterpreting your words, I am however, pointing out that your personal experience and usage of social media is narrow and limited. Yet you feel compelled to tell others how to interpret policy while also seeming to try to tell people that if they are kind they have nothing to worry about.

I expect that Genspect from
all their previous posts are some who use preferred pronouns yet have claimed this has indeed already impacted their engagement. Feminists and organisations who have been actively working to be able to state very precisely and accurately what their needs are have been through misuse of these types of policies before.

Absolutely, you have your own opinion, and you are free to express it. However, you are not free from being challenged on this board just because you feel that you don’t want to be challenged.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1763956635439972402?s=19

Elon's just tweeted: "Turns out this was due to a court judgment in Brazil, which is being appealed, but should not apply outside of Brazil"

He also responded "I agree" to the comment: "There is no reason to have a misgendering or deadnaming policy

If someone is harassing then you can block them"

(Can't easily attach screenshot, sorry)

I simply thought that YOU VIEWED things like men requesting to be referred as she/her as foolishness. If I incorrectly assumed that you thought these things to be foolishness, then my bad. I just thought there must be a reason why you’re so passionate about the subject but I’m clearly wrong. Seriously, enjoy your day because we’re not getting anywhere. You seem deadset on misinterpreting my words

The only pronouns a person uses about themselves are “I” and “me”.

So I wouldn’t be using the same ones about another person as they use about themselves.