Libs of TikTok - parent's email account disabled by Google after complaining about a book

Yes. Which is a stupid argument. As I just posted.

This is a good question.

The entire concept of stochastic terrorism
is absolute bloody nonsense. It is conspiracy theory logic too - making weird connections and insisting they’re causative with no evidence. And then claiming the lack of evidence is itself evidence of the conspiracy.

And yet we have posters here claiming LoTT are leading a conspiracy of terrorism against elementary schools.

There is enough stupid shit going on in the world that can be explained by mostly well meaning people not engaging their brains or just being a bit incompetent, without having to resort to conspiracy theories about this stuff.

Yes there are activists but there really isn’t some coordinated conspiracy within Google. Loads of MNers have used gmail
accounts to make complaints that constitute gender wrongthink.

If Google were disabling accounts after scanning for ‘transphobia’ as claimed, most of us would have been affected. And, if MNers were, we’d all be seeing the ‘offending’ emails all over the shop. Not just a generic account disabled message.

She has not commited a crime because stochastic terrorism is not a crime, it's a socio-political concept. I'm not accusing her of literally being a terrorist; stochastic terrorism can't be a crime and indeed shouldn't be, because you can't prove it. But you can sure as hell accuse someone of doing it and being a dreadful human being on account of it. She's a big girl and she can take that I am sure.

This doesn’t wash tbh because you used ‘incited’ and ‘bomb threats’ in your original post.

What you've done on this thread is make a very clear cut statement that Libs of TikTok is responsible for real terrorism, not stochastic terrorism. Don’t you see that? The media you are referencing which doesn’t get you out of the spot you’ve put yourself in, have rooms of lawyers. Do you?

As much as i’d enjoy seeing the sh*t fly from this, I really would take your statement down or ask MN to take it down. It’s not ok.

This is just conspiracy theory though.

It Raichik highlights some outrageous behaviour by a school, why is it her fault that others criticise the behaviour of the school, rather than the school carrying out the behaviour?

No no-one can prove my comment about vegan Flora caused someone else to ring the company - because it didn't. Me saying vegan Flora is shit is not causing or inviting anyone to do anything. I mean, if convicted violent criminal TRAs telling crowds of people to punch terfs in the face isn't incitement to commit violence, someone criticising something online can't be,can it?

Also 'mountains of hate and threats'?

But it doesn’t mean they (or activist employees) don’t either.

So stochastic terrorism == criticising things then.

It doesn't mean they aren't.

It is well known that activists are working behind the scenes to limit the reach of those who go against the ideology.

Thank you for a very good explanation of how stochastic terrorism works.

Yes, no one could prove your comment about vegan flora caused this phone call.

It does seem a remarkabe coincidence that after Raichik tweets to her huge army of followers about an elementary school that has done something she and her followers won't like, for example, that it then receives mountains of hate and threats in the period following those posts. But you are 100% correct. No one can prove it's because Raichik didn't ask anyone to do that.

She has not commited a crime because stochastic terrorism is not a crime, it's a socio-political concept. I'm not accusing her of literally being a terrorist; stochastic terrorism can't be a crime and indeed shouldn't be, because you can't prove it. But you can sure as hell accuse someone of doing it and being a dreadful human being on account of it. She's a big girl and she can take that I am sure.

That doesn’t mean they’re scanning for gender ideology wrongthink and disabling people’s accounts for it.

I thought it was widely recognised that Google scans anything going through their system, including your email.

Has anyone let Libs Of TikTok know she is being libelled and defamed for terrorism on the Mumsnet forum yet?

I also hate the term ‘receipts’ for various reasons.

See if the claim was that Google was discriminating against its own staff for wrongthink, I’d be inclined to believe that.

But this just feels like online posturing and bullshit. I’d want proper evidence before believing this social media shite.

Incidentally, I think the term ‘stochastic terrorism’ is classic 2020s hyperbolic and catastrophising terminology. It’s language intended to confuse and to conflate saying things (some) people disagree about or feel is a bit mean with mass murder for political aims. It’s not helpful terminology in the least.

LOL. Does no one these days know that correlation is not causation? From the article:

'On average, these threats materialized several days following Raichik’s posts'

Right, I'm declaring here and now that the vegan Flora is horrid. If next Thursday someone rings up the Flora factory and says their vegan spread is shit, is it my fault?

Same article:

'the Federal Bureau of Investigation, which has noted a general increase in such threats against public institutions.'

So, there's a general increase? But the increase is the responsibility of a SM activist? So not general? Or...what?

Are you an American by any chance?

Here's another receipt @nothingcomestonothinghttps://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/09/02/lgbtq-threats-hospitals-libs-of-tiktok/

Also I don't think I have to quake in my boots about Ms Raichik's lawyers being in touch, as she just loves being called a stochastic terrorist because she thinks it was made up for her (it wasn't)https://www.mediamatters.org/libs-tiktok/libs-tiktok-creator-chaya-raichik-celebrates-being-labeled-stochastic-terrorist

'NBC News unearthed a concerning pattern: approximately 33 instances were identified where institutions or individuals criticized by Raichik subsequently faced bomb threats or other forms of violent intimidation. These incidents, spanning from November 2020, affected schools, libraries, hospitals, small businesses, and elected officials across 16 states, Washington, D.C., and Ontario, Canada'

https://www.advocate.com/news/chaya-raichik-nbc-stochastic-terrorism

And also guys, calm down, I'm not accusing Raichik of literal terrorism . Stochastic terrorism means spreading hate likely to harm others that you can then plausibly deny, which I am happy to label Raichik as because its what she does and I am far from the only person saying this of her. S

If the only evidence they've got is a photo of the book and a screenshot of a generic Google blocking notification, that's not proof of anything.

Beware of those feeding you inflammatory stories with nothing to back them up.

Those two photos could just as easily be used to say "I was banned from Google for trying to buy this book".

Not really the point of the thread but the names they've chosen for the protagonists are very dated.

I'm slightly sceptical about this - it seems unlikely. I haven't heard of Google suspending anyone else's accounts for wrongthink.

Having said that, it seemed implausible that Rachel Meade would be disciplined by her employer and regulator for making very mild gender critical remarks on her personal Facebook, and that happened, so you never know. (Along, I should add with all the other women targeted for believing biology is real, eg Maya Forstater, Kathleen Stock, Jo Phoenix, Allison Bailey, Rachel Rooney, Rosie Kay etc etc etc)

Libs of TikTok is source of stochastic terrorism that's already got schools and hospitals closed due to bombthreats incited by its lies, which of course it Raichik can plausibly deny because she didn't tell anyone to do it....

That’s quite the libel and defamation case you’re pumping out there PP. I hear Libs of TikTok sues so I do hope you can evidence all of this.

Got the feeling this is one to watch... i’ll get my popcorn.