Are Transwomen male or female? Ask the BBC

Because if they fully understood it, the BBC are afraid they would reject it.

Why does the BBC WANT the public to remain confused?

Can't be said enough. My DSis got confused over which was which in a discussion about women's sport today. Again, this was the plan, to disrupt and mess with people's understanding. Not a bug.

Transwomen are male

That statue is so interesting.

Was just reading a week old Times article re the cat killer. It referred to the cat killer as a transgender woman which I still think is so misleading, especially as they use she/her pronouns.

They then refer to transgender women with male genitalia being kept in male prisons.

I'm really surprised of the Times, I thought it was GC, and to even entertain that there is a category of woman that has male genitalia is just neo-religion/flat earthing to me.

That will be head first in a harbour any moment now.

How interesting.

I came across this piece of information in an article about the Justin Webb ruling. There is a statue of George Orwell outside BBC Broadcasting House with a quote of his inscribed into the wall:

"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear"

The BBC allowed that sentiment to be carved into the wall of their headquarters, yet also believe that Justin Webb was wrong to state a fact? Bonkers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_George_Orwell

We should so be buying Justin an "Eppur si muove" T shirt.

Anyway, I’ve made a further complaint saying that the BBC response isn’t good enough and I want an explanation about why their flagship presenters aren’t allowed to state a scientific fact.

I got the same response. Not impressed either.

I think it will be interesting to see the weekly BBC complaints list for the relevant period (when it’s published) to see how many complaints they received.

😂you forgot the 💋and heels 👠very important details if you want to be a women through trans eyes.

You'll never get that job at Channel Four News with that attitude!

Here's me thinking trans 'women' were bl8kes in a fr8ck.

I'm no expert but I'd suggest keeping pushing the BBC until you can escalate to Ofcom seems the most effective route.

Me too. Baroness Nicholson has also written to Dame Melanie Dawes at Ofcom.

https://x.com/blablafishcakes/status/1765735409294664062?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

@yetanotherusernameAgain I've just had the same response ("this is our final view on the matter"). I've just re-submitted my complaint saying this was unacceptable because the very fact of censuring Justin Webb for stating "transwomen, who are males" was a partisan political position.

I just don't know how else to say it. If he made a factual error ("transwomen are in fact females") then they should require a correction to be issued. If they thought he should have said something else apart from a factual statement, that is then a requirement to take a partisan political position. They stated he should have made some "qualification as to biological sex and gender" but they didn't specify what, and there is no qualification I can think of that isn't a partisan political statement!

Should he have said:
transwomen, who are males who believe they are women? (likely unacceptable to the original complainant)
transwomen, who are males who have changed sex? (factually incorrect)
transwomen, who are males who live as women? (sexist stereotyping)
transwomen, who are males who do not believe their gender identity matches their sex? (basically what he said originally and what he was censured for)

I'm no expert but I'd suggest keeping pushing the BBC until you can escalate to Ofcom seems the most effective route.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv-radio-and-on-demand/advice-for-consumers/how-ofcom-deals-with-bbc-complaints

'The full BBC complaints process consists of three stages -Stage 1a, 1b and 2. If you are unhappy with the response from the BBC at each of stage 1a and 1b, you can ask the BBC to look at it again. Stage 2 is the final stage, where you can complain to the BBC Executive Complaints Unit, the ECU. You should wait to see if you are happy with the BBC ECU’s final response before making a complaint to Ofcom.'

Response from BBC Complaints to my complaint about the ECU finding against Justin Webb:

"... this represents the final view of the BBC on this matter, and we therefore have nothing further to add."

I think the underlying issues (eg is a factual statement unacceptable) and the guidance in the BBC News style guide need debate and feedback from the BBC but I'm not sure that this specific complaint (the ECU finding) is the best way, as they'll just take the line 'this matter is closed' and not enter into further discussion.

I did actually ask some questions in my complaint, which they haven't answered, so I could escalate my original complaint further. Or re-angle it and submit a fresh one without the emphasis on the ECU finding. Any advice?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001wxgb/newswatch-01032024

"Are we there yet?". Not even close. The capture of, let's see, the media (i.e. 95 % of it) academe, the arts, the police, medical profession-well, basically everyone and everything is massive. These nutters have been beavering away for at least a decade with success beyond their wildest dreams. Until now.

If anyone here is a member of the Women's Rights Network, there is an excellent guide on the Members Only Forum that takes you through the BBC Complaints process with the steps to go through in order to escalate the complaint to Ofcom if (when!) the response is unsatisfactory:

How to .... Complain to/about the BBC & get action FAST

https://www.womensrights.network/wrn-forum/access-for-all/how-to-complain-to-about-the-bbc-get-action-fast

Clare Davis on the BBC news channel programme - summing it up perfectly.

BBC News channel tonight 11.30 pm