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Scarlet Blake - murder to officially recorded as a crime committed by a woman

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CousinGreg55 · 28/02/2024 23:13

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/28/trans-cat-killer-scarlet-blake-crimes-will-recorded/

I know there are other Scarlet Blake threads but I thought this was significant enough to start a new thread.
According to The Telegraph the murder is to be recorded as a crime committed by a woman.

Transgender cat killer’s crimes recorded as carried out by a woman

Scarlet Blake sent to male prison but the murder of Jorge Carreno will be recorded as a female offence, police confirm

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/28/trans-cat-killer-scarlet-blake-crimes-will-recorded

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ScrollingLeaves · 01/03/2024 22:47

AdamRyan · 29/02/2024 08:47

Because the reporting of Blake has been so out of kilter with other recent reports of transgender criminals (e.g. that scottish butcher guy) and the wording where it has been disclosed has been very careful and about specific things raised in the trial rather than about her gender overall.

If Blake has a GRC, the legal implications are different.

But there was the transgender criminal ( biological male) who aided/encouraged the rape of a 4 year old by another paedophile. He was reported as being a female by Manchester Police and the BBC.

ScrollingLeaves · 01/03/2024 20:46

ErrolTheDragon · 29/02/2024 00:27

It 100% feels like a false equivalency but I struggle to articulate why.

Gay people are not infringing anyone else's rights.
And they're not trying to be something that they simply can't be (or pretending to be something they're not, which is the case of some of the people claiming to be trans)
You can accept transwomen as transwomen but that doesn't mean they're women and should be allowed in women’s sports, prisons etc... or statistics.

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Being gay also does no physical harm to young people who feel this way, moreover, they can explore this but change their mind at any point in their life.

Another point, is that young people who are gender non conforming who might according to research have grown up to be gay, are being persuaded instead that they are transgender which is much more dangerous for them.

Young people are also being encouraged to escape traumas and difficulties by becoming transgender when this will not alleviate their state of mind in the long term.

ScrollingLeaves · 01/03/2024 20:08

The judge said the fact that ‘she’ was transgender was not a consideration!

“Thames Valley Police adheres to the law and codes of practice, outlined by the Equality Act 2010, and the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 (PACE) Code C, when establishing and recording the gender of a person in our custody.”

Does the Equality Act say a crime is recorded according to gender, not sex?

What then do they do about rape a penis/male crime carried out by a transwoman (a person born a biological male? How then do they record it as being by a woman?

Lion400 · 01/03/2024 19:30

BusyMummy001 · 01/03/2024 19:22

I received a reply from the BBC too. Mine coupled the fact that Blake was referred to throughout the trial with she/her pronouns as a guiding factor, ie because the court honoured Blake’s request their guidances dictates they should also honour that. This means that had Blake chosen to be cat gender, they’d have referred accordingly … madness!

🙈🙈🙈🙈

BusyMummy001 · 01/03/2024 19:22

I received a reply from the BBC too. Mine coupled the fact that Blake was referred to throughout the trial with she/her pronouns as a guiding factor, ie because the court honoured Blake’s request their guidances dictates they should also honour that. This means that had Blake chosen to be cat gender, they’d have referred accordingly … madness!

Scarlet Blake - murder to officially recorded as a crime committed by a woman
Lion400 · 01/03/2024 18:36

ErrolTheDragon · 01/03/2024 18:31

So it's not just this specific item that needs fixing but the 'style guidelines' as a whole since evidently they aren't sufficiently emphasising clarity and accuracy.

People don't all correctly understand phrases like 'transgender woman' - anyone rational may assume it means a female who is trans rather than a male.

Exactly. I’ll reference this in addition to further comments when I follow up the complaint response in ‘stage 1b’ 🙄

ErrolTheDragon · 01/03/2024 18:31

Lion400 · 01/03/2024 18:14

I complained to the BBC about their coverage of Blake, not mentioning he is a man. This is their pathetic response. You need to tap on the photo to see the whole thing.

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So it's not just this specific item that needs fixing but the 'style guidelines' as a whole since evidently they aren't sufficiently emphasising clarity and accuracy.

People don't all correctly understand phrases like 'transgender woman' - anyone rational may assume it means a female who is trans rather than a male.

Lion400 · 01/03/2024 18:14

I complained to the BBC about their coverage of Blake, not mentioning he is a man. This is their pathetic response. You need to tap on the photo to see the whole thing.

Scarlet Blake - murder to officially recorded as a crime committed by a woman
PaterPower · 01/03/2024 16:08

There was a thread on AIBU earlier this afternoon on Blake which was trending enough to get into the top 5. And now it seems to have disappeared.

They didn’t even chuck it into the naughty corner here. Anyone know if it was just deleted?

Redshoeblueshoe · 29/02/2024 20:01

BusyMummy001 · 29/02/2024 16:07

Seeing comments on X that Scarlet was a Tavistock ‘graduate’… perhaps more evidence that these children/YAs need help and therapy, not affirmation and medicalisation.

Absolutely

DisappearingGirl · 29/02/2024 18:55

Thames Valley Police didn't book Blake in as a cat then?

lanadelgrey · 29/02/2024 17:16

Can someone do a government petition, please? I can’t because of my job but all the other kinds of petitions are merely performative and hot air. A gov one with 100k signatures gets a debate which would be a nudge towards changing laws. Reading between the lines of the Thames Valley police head’s chief, that is what he is asking for.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 29/02/2024 17:05

Sendintheultrafrownz · 29/02/2024 16:38

But someone who is same sex attracted is a reality. That person is attracted to the same sex as they are. It’s factual.

Identifying as a sex you are not is not factual or reality.

fundamental difference

Or to say the same thing a slightly different way... no-ones' identity, self-knowledge, marriage or experience of love or sexual desire had to be redefined or denied in order to accept the existence and validity of LGB identities, self knowledge, marriage, love or sexual desire.

In order to accept TWAW and TMAM, the meaning of "man" and "woman" has to be written for all of humanity, imposing on to every single one of us the assumption that our minds are "womanly", "manly" or "non-binary" regardless of whether this aligns with our actual self knowledge and life experience.

Sendintheultrafrownz · 29/02/2024 16:38

FatPrincess · 29/02/2024 00:21

The argument seems to go that we didn't accept homosexuality a few decades ago and tried to 'cure' it and that trans people are facing that same resistance nowadays.

But someone who is same sex attracted is a reality. That person is attracted to the same sex as they are. It’s factual.

Identifying as a sex you are not is not factual or reality.

fundamental difference

AdamRyan · 29/02/2024 16:35

You think if the Government were genuinely listening to GC groups, that they would have made that change ages ago.

IcakethereforeIam · 29/02/2024 16:27

No.10 has an opinion, except they think a piece of paper can change a person's sex.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/29/transwomen-criminals-must-be-recorded-as-men-no-10/

https://archive.ph/rfxV3 archive link to jump the paywall

The statement from the Police SEEN is thoughtful, this indulging this nonsense is taking the focus away from the victim.

Trans women criminals must be recorded as men, says No 10

Downing Street tells police to list offenders such as ‘cat killer’ murderer Scarlet Blake as male unless they have legally changed gender

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/29/transwomen-criminals-must-be-recorded-as-men-no-10

BusyMummy001 · 29/02/2024 16:07

Seeing comments on X that Scarlet was a Tavistock ‘graduate’… perhaps more evidence that these children/YAs need help and therapy, not affirmation and medicalisation.

Froodwithatowel · 29/02/2024 16:07

Doesn't the phrase garbage in garbage out have a bearing on this issue.

Exactly.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 29/02/2024 15:52

Quite. Either the data are important for [X] purposes, and therefore need be accurate. Or they are never used for anything, so we shouldn't waste time and resources on recording them.

Nellieinthebarn · 29/02/2024 15:48

Apart from the huge injustice of attributing crimes to women that have actually been carried out by men in frocks, what is the point of deliberately creating data that is just plain wrong and misleading.

What is the data then used for? funding decisions, allocation of personnel, where to allocate resources? Doesn't the phrase garbage in garbage out have a bearing on this issue.

RedToothBrush · 29/02/2024 15:39

CousinGreg55 · 28/02/2024 23:26

The process seems to be you get arrested, booked in as your preferred gender and that whats
it gets recorded as if you are eventually convicted.

And this is why gender identity in data collection over biological sex does not work...

fabio12 · 29/02/2024 15:23

Paperclipp · 29/02/2024 14:12

I was watching the BBC News at 1 today with DH who was WFH & I told him the biggest news story for me today (Blake's murder being reported as a crime committed by a female) would not be reported...and it wasn't.
I asked him if he thought that was outrageous and he replied that he didn't give a shit - it made absolutely no difference to him as to how that crime was recorded.
And then it hit me that that's the very reason why it didn't make the news...men just don't care. It doesn't affect them or make them feel uncomfortable about the erosion of a sex, because it's not their sex. It's utterly depressing and a massive step backwards.

I see this too - I think men don't think they'd be fooled millions of male tourists visiting Thai bars might disagree and don't seem to equate the idea this man was murdered by someone using the appearance of being a woman out at night as a disabling factor. How would he feel if he stopped in the middle of nowhere to help someone who appeared to be a woman fix a tyre in the dark, only to find it was a man in a wig wielding a wrench?

AgathaX · 29/02/2024 15:11

BackCats · 29/02/2024 11:01

I am getting to the point where I now believe that:

  1. The GRA should be scrapped and all falsified birth certificates should be restored to the facts.
  2. No one with any legal authority should ever report or register someone as being of the opposite sex in any circumstances.
  3. Pretending to be a member of the opposite sex in such a way that could mislead others, should be recognised as dysfunctional, antisocial and a possible aggravating factor in any crime committed.

Seriously, enough of this nonsense!

People like this should be viewed as a person of their actual sex, with their disorder recognised, nothing else.

Absolutely. Also that all previously falsified legal documents and statistics are corrected.

Emotionalsupportviper · 29/02/2024 14:37

Isthisreasonable · 29/02/2024 09:05

If every woman booked in as male no doubt things would change

Unfortunately we know what the SEX of the officers who - often intimately - searched these "women booking in as men" would be.

You can bet your life there wouldn't be a transman officer available to do the necessary.

Emotionalsupportviper · 29/02/2024 14:32

AdamRyan · 29/02/2024 08:47

Because the reporting of Blake has been so out of kilter with other recent reports of transgender criminals (e.g. that scottish butcher guy) and the wording where it has been disclosed has been very careful and about specific things raised in the trial rather than about her gender overall.

If Blake has a GRC, the legal implications are different.

the wording where it has been disclosed has been very careful and about specific things raised in the trial rather than about her gender overall.

HIS gender.