Justice for Emma Caldwell

Poor women indeed. But I really hate the term sex worker.

Disgusting

Horrific. And it won't have just been this investigation. Those poor women.

great - could you drop the link here?

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/emma-caldwell-case-followed-shocking-32301038

i dont think it was incompetence.
The police had all the evidence there but someone for some reason made a decision not to arrest and pursue him in spite of all that.
i think the crown office is pushing themselves out of the frame by saying that if the police had arrested packer, and brought the case to them, then they would have delivered justice.

The Mail has this to say, from the he family's lawyer Aamer Anwar:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13169741/Emma-Caldwells-killer-Iain-Packer-convicted-2008-familys-lawyer-claims-Scottish-Government-confirms-inquiry-held-killer-evaded-justice-two-decades.html

Emma Caldwell's killer Iain Packer could have been convicted in 2008, her family's lawyer claims, as the Scottish Government confirms an inquiry will be held into how killer evaded justice for almost two decades.

Speaking outside the Crown Office following the meeting, the family's lawyer Aamer Anwar said: 'The Lord Advocate confirmed that had the solicitor general and her instruction been followed through by Strathclyde Police, on the available evidence in 2008 the Lord Advocate and her team believe there was a sufficiency for prosecuting Iain Packer for murder.

Will we ever find out if it was incompetence, or a malign act, on the part of the Police?

Nothing did but maybe now the media will pick it up or the Public Inquiry?

That article was 2013, I assume nothing came of it.

There are a shocking number of unsolved murders in the uk.

It’s hard to believe Packer would have stopped after murdering just one woman. I wonder if they are re looking at any other unsolved disappearances.

I wondered similar. Packer attended sex parties somewhere around Glasgow (one woman who was a witness confirmed this). Who else was at these gatherings?

And they may try to have the list, which is said to include police officers, council officials, lawyers and two celebrities, unveiled at a civil court case next month.

Police in brothels? Surely not, said nobody, ever. It would certainly go towards explaining why Packer was discounted as a suspect, because they wouldn't want to risk their names coming up.

Bastards.

i think it is interesting to consider this article and the list of 50 punters held by the organisers of the sex industry. i wonder just who is on it and why they may need to be protected?? https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/sauna-bosses-threaten-name-shame-2289222

that might be interesting to put to local MSPs?

The BBC podcast is an excellent piece of journalism- and the Police should be ashamed. I don’t think anyone will be brought to justice - the culture of misogyny is rife and unfortunately the Police have it set up that officers can ‘retire’, collect their pensions and be off the hook.

Full admiration for the women that came forward and spoke to Sam Poling - I hope those that are still alive are safe and well. We absolutely need to call out the reporting of such cases.

Unfortunately we all know what an enquiry will lead to - lawyers getting richer and the ultimate comment of ‘lessons will be learnt’ which of course won’t be the case at all.

However - I do think we push this with MSPs if nothing else they may think again about some of their decisions that can lead to vulnerable women being further neglected

Emma's family... Doh!

I see that Emma's has asked for a criminal investigation into the mishandling of her case. I seriously hope that an inquiry is instituted and the men responsible face censure. I saw the story in the Observer - I have cut and pasted the salient parts, for those of you who can't read the Guardian:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/03/mother-of-emma-caldwell-calls-for-criminal-investigation-into-mishandling-of-case

The family of Caldwell, who was 27 when she was found dead in woodland 44 miles from her Glasgow home, have called for a public inquiry into failures by the authorities over the investigation of her murder. Her mother, Margaret Caldwell, is also calling for a criminal investigation led by an outside police force and steered by independent prosecutors to scrutinise the conduct of authorities involved in the case.

She told the Sunday Post: “The only thing the crown office should have been announcing after the trial was an immediate and independent criminal investigation. It is not just my family that needs reassurance about our justice system. Everyone in Scotland needs that reassurance.”

Although I hate to go all conspiracy theorist, I can't help but think it must be something like that. Just awful.

She only did that to support her heroin addiction, it shouldn't define her. She was a human being, FGS.

I thoroughly recommend the book- The Five: The Untold Lives of the Women Killed by Jack the Ripper by Hallie Rubenhold. It's not about the man or his crimes. It's the women's stories.