Will Labour introduce Self ID & curb free speech?

Ooh. I'll look forward to seeing it come into effect then.

They are quite heavy drinkers.

And yet you'll still have posters insisting Labour can be trusted. They absolutely cannot. But there's none so blind as will not see.

The Act isn't implemented until later this year. 1st April fittingly. Have another go

I don’t expect North Korea has Scotland’s problems with drug and alcohol abuse 🧐

The template, then.

https://www.parliament.scot/bills-and-laws/bills/hate-crime-and-public-order-scotland-bill#target4

Scottish Hate Crime Bill. Two Labour MSPs voted against, one abstained. The rest voted in favour.

And just like that, Scotland became North Korea.

Oh wait...

Lol. I wish.

Living outside the UK because it's depressing and just generally a ghastly place to live.

Conversations held in private as well as in public?

A reminder that the Scottish Hate Crime Bill is now law. Although the police don't seem to be able to implement it.

'It creates an offence of “stirring up” hatred, criminalising utterances that are considered inflammatory or insulting even when they cause no actual harm and are not intended to incite a specific act. And it covers private conversations, even within the home.'

https://www.economist.com/the-world-ahead/2021/11/08/scotlands-new-hate-crime-act-will-have-a-chilling-effect-on-free-speech

Thank you for that important information.

Living outside the UK to escape its boundaries & discipline. Are you Dr Webberley?

I'm definitely not authoritarian. I would rather the state didn't exist, but if must, hate crime legislation is one of its more benign functions.

You have no idea of my professional or academic background. I've worked with children and in education for more than 20 years, in many different types of settings, in different roles, different countries, continents, cultures.

What constitutes appropriate boundaries and discipline varies wildly according to context and is constantly contested. I'm horrified by the current situation in the UK.

I do believe that people with extreme authoritarian tendencies exist so I will take you at face value on that score. However, I don't actually consider that the current Labour Party lead by Kier Starmer are so far gone that they would criminalise women for stating facts. Labour have never claimed that they intend to introduce such draconian legislation and it would be a massive overstep of power to bring in laws that outlawed people saying that "transwomen are men". It would also potentially criminalise hundreds of thousands of people and it wouldn't stop people from saying what is patently true.

Oh, ‘obsession with boundaries’ is fascistic now?

Said someone who clearly has no children themselves; who is not a teacher,and who understands very little about psychology unless its based on indulging every passing feeling and "finding my truth".

Excellent post. And for someone to question out loud the need for children to develop boundaries makes you wonder what they say in private.

Having been a teacher and having a daughter who is a teacher I can tell you that without self discipline and established boundaries there can be no learning and classrooms descend into crowd control situations.

That many parents are unable to provide firm boundaries from which their children can learn to manage and control their own behaviours and impusles is part of the problem. Lack of boundaries and self discipline/emotional resiillience and self containment is also a large part of the reason for the surge in mental health issues that young people are suffering from.

People without boundaries and self control are more likley to look to the state or to a leader to provide them. Then you have totalitarianism.

Children need to be taught/shown boundaries. They don't develop them without help.

Oh, you can definitely take me at face value.

I'm not relishing the prospect of Kier Starmer's Labour Party being in power for lots of reasons, but they'll be better than the current lot on most things and particularly on this, if not actually good.

I'll probably vote Lib Dem, tactically. As I don't live in the UK the outcome won't really affect me anyway

Yes, thanks for the reminder. I have a tendency to take people at face value.

Wow! So your vision of a Labour government is pretty authoritarian.

On the plus side, women would still be able to have conversations about the removal of their rights and free speech in private without being criminalised so that's a bonus.

I mean, I don't agree with the wording, or your characterisation of those measures. But I do genuinely think that they should be covered by hate crime legislation.

Ah, the c3po collective is back.

Great 🙄