Will Labour introduce Self ID & curb free speech?

Lol, I was also pondering on whether I had misunderstood.

evidently there are a few on this thread unfamiliar with how a functioning democratic society operates.

There seem a few on the thread who basically might be happier in North Korea.

I'm left wondering really whether this is performative with some enjoyment from provoking people into responses or seeing what people will swallow, or whether it really is the case, as seems increasingly evidenced, that those holding the views on the banning of women's rights/language/homosexuality yada yada hold these extreme, repressive beliefs in a wider picture of other extreme, repressive beliefs.

It's quite a big topic obviously because many different communist regimes have existed in the world over time. It's not even a topic that I had ever considered to be particularly controversial. It is known that authoritarian regimes need to be able to control their populations and to do this you need to control the youth and the best way to do this is via schooling. I haven't got time to provide all the "evidence". But here is a starting point for you. Other than that Google is probably your friend if you are interested just type in "education and communism" into the search bar, there is a wealth of information.

https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/ref/college/coll-china-education-001.html?scp=6&sq=zhang%2520yuan&st=cse

The People’s Republic of China – Period of The Cultural Revolution (1966-1976)

The two tiered system of education continued to flourish until 1966. Mao believing that his party was loosing the revolutionary fervor and was creating a privileged elite that was a threat to the socialist regime. He accused the party of capitalist tendencies, bureaucratism, elitism, and inefficiency. By calling on the young people to actively revive the revolutionary spirit, he launched a ten-year period called “The Cultural Revolution”.
Students formed “Red Guards” and “revolutionary rebels” and went out among the populous to destroy the old culture, the old ideology, the old customs, and the old habits. Education, having a considerable impact on social and economic development, became the first targets of attack and Mao declared that education should be revolutionalized.36
At the onset of the Cultural Revolution schools were closed so that teachers and students could focus all their energy on the revolution. Decisions about education per se moved from the control of the Ministry of Education intellectuals to various subcommittees of the Communist Party Central Committee made up of local workers soldiers, peasants and politically correct teachers. The revolution in education featured a system in which:

1. the curriculum replaced theory with concepts related to work;
2. meritocracy and academic achievement was not recognized24;
3. the length of pre-post secondary schooling was cut from 12 to 10 years;
4. study in the classroom was combined with field work (five months in classroom, one month each in factory, farm and army);
5. courses in history, geography or literature were eliminated;
6. graduates were given jobs in factories and farms;
7. all entrance examinations were abolished;
8. students were selected to pursue post secondary education on basis of virtue; students from families of workers, peasants or soldiers were deemed to be the most virtuous.
9. colleges were removed from the leadership of the intellectuals.41, 35 In effect the reforms of the Cultural Revolution ” brought about the “de-schooling” of the society by destroying the whole structure of the education system. The teachers were demoralized and came under political suspicion; curricula was non-existent or watered-down, and sound teaching strategies were replaced with group-discussion, non-competitive problem-solving and open-book tests; all without quality control.38 The impact of the reforms was equally devastating on the economy and caused the regime to end the Cultural Revolution a decade after it began. Since Mao’s death the decade has been called “the ten years of turmoil”.

This MO is wearing thin tbh

Netanyahu pals up with anti semites? OK then.

The point I was trying to make is that its debatable as to whether "from the river to the sea" is antisemitic or whether that's been hijacked and toxified to appear antisemitic. It's a live debate.

It interests me that people obfuscate by saying "vile antisemitic phrase" and suchlike when protesters say "from the river to the sea". That indicates they know a lot of people would say "so what?" If they said "and the protesters were chanting "from the river to the sea"! Saying "vile antisemitism" makes it sound much worse and hate-speechy than it actually is.

It is reminiscent of TRAs politicising the phrase "adult human female" so that we couldnt use it, by claiming its a slogan indicating transphobia.

And what is that "situation" according to you?

You mean having pupils throw chairs at teachers, disrupting the learning of others, regularly telling teachers to fuck off and/or abusive name calling?

It's not fascist for women or anyone to have boundaries.
It's not fascist to point out that some schools have ignored the legal requirement for them to politically impartial and allowed political lobby groups to advocate for the removal of women's sport, single sex spaces including showers and dormitories, the removal of the language of women and more.
It's not fascist to point out that national and local government (including the civil service) are required to operate impartially and not to favour family, friends or political activist groups over the needs of citizens and society.

All of that is fundamental to living in a democratic society. Apologies for stating something so obvious, but evidently there are a few on this thread unfamiliar with how a functioning democratic society operates.

I doubt it. My guess is they will ignore the issue

Ha! I'll tag you next time someone calls me a Labour activist or shill and you can stand up for me then!

There is a difference between muslims and Islamists. Islamists are very overt about what they stand for and what they want to achieve. Islamic State ( ISIS) are Islamists. Hamas operates under an Islamist banner. Its manifesto is an Islamist one. Islamists are extreme fundamentalists. Not all muslims are fundamentalists.

Really concerned about more gender identity clinics popping up under Labour and Keir Starmer possibly curbing free speech via so - called hate laws (in the feminist circle i run in we all agree this is a euphemism for silencing women about men in female prisons, rape shelters and other areas where women are vulnerable)

Labour, like any other Govt, want to be re-elected, doing the things extremists/Tory supporters on here accuse them of, would mean they would risk losing both women voters and their very large number of female MPs too.

So it wont happen.

You re also assuming they will win the next GE, who says so? its months away, anything could happen.

But i feel happier with Starmer and Reeves than with Truss and Farage or even Badenoch and Braverman (who was sacked for passing on state secrets) or was that Patel?
Either way, a Tory party not to be trusted.

Hmm… there was a little something called the cultural revolution in China. 27 teachers murdered by their students on the encouragement of Mao and the State. Many more tortured to death or driven to suicide.

Then, more recently, the crackdowns against Universities following Tiannemen Square and on the Hong Kong Chinese schools and Universities once we left.

There were also the pogroms carried out against teachers, and other “intellectuals” by Stalin et al in Russia.

Communism DOES believe in collective education, but only where the education delivered conforms to party ‘guidance.’

It's not a problem if you are straight. If you are a lesbian wanting children (like OP) then it might influence your voting.

Oh, that's interesting timing.

Police Scotland seems to have a multitude of problems beyond just implementation of the bill

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/police-scotland-plans-to-no-longer-investigate-every-reported-crime-from-april-a-source-of-shame-for-scottish-government-ministers-4531736

Hmmmm. OK then.
As someone with no skin in the game, the double standards of what it seems acceptable to say about Muslims vs Jewish people are striking.

Netanyahu also uses that phrase to describe Israeli territory - is he antisemitic?

Well, he certainly doesn't mind pallying up with racists and anti-semites. I don't think much of anyone who parrots phrases like that; do you?

I'm genuinely not sure if I've understood your comment correctly, but have you read anything of 20th century Chinese and Cambodian history?

Thought not.

And the second paragraph. Are you going to suggest the baying mobs that have been turning up outside women's meetings are from the right?

No, I don't have experience of local Labour politics. I'm a floating voter, currently a Labour member but not actively involved nor likely to be.

Netanyahu also uses that phrase to describe Israeli territory - is he antisemitic?

Meanwhile Anderson claims London is being run by Islamists and that's not racist. Go figure.

Thanks.

https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/controversial-hate-crime-bill-faces-further-delays/

I wonder if that date is still in operation? This article suggested it was going to be 'chaos' as the police just can't afford to train officers, let alone implement it.

Evidence please - because the whole point of communism is to deliver everything collectively, so I don't believe that is true

There's an information note here

Apparently it's dependent on setting up the IT, so you know it may never happen.
https://www.gov.scot/publications/hate-crime-public-order-scotland-act-2021-information-note/

Any more info on that? I haven't found anything since last year's setting up of the Hate Crime Centre (iirc).