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makeanddo · 28/02/2024 11:11

I think it was great EB raised this however YC dodged it really. It's very clear that Labour know they need to say biological sex is different to gender however imo they still believe TWAW and therefore should be treated as an actual women. If this wasn't the party line YC would have clearly stated that Scarlett should be in a men's jail and under Labour it would be recorded as a male crime. They are adjusting their language to try and get round what they actually believe (personally I think self id will come in very quickly under Labour which unfortunately) and to try and get out of answering questions clearly.

ShareTheDuvet · 28/02/2024 11:10

nauticant · 28/02/2024 10:59

Cooper was trying to give out two different messages. That sex matters in terms of the criminal justice system but hedged about sufficiently so that if need be she can claim she didn't really mean that, or she meant "mostly".

What did people make of her mangled sentence in which she seemed to say that Blake had gone through a "gender recognition process"?

I’m pretty sure he hadn’t but even if he had isn’t it kind of a moot point when it comes to crime recording?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/02/2024 11:09

Can't seem to access the programme on the BBC sounds app. Hopefully they will have it up soon. <pointed look at the BBC>

afternoonoflife · 28/02/2024 11:08

That’s a shame about EB. If they don’t replace her with someone with proper chops then it’ll be a really pointless programme. On the plus side, with both EB and Justin Webb on Today, it could strengthen the coverage on there.

CriticalCondition · 28/02/2024 11:07

What did people make of her mangled sentence in which she seemed to say that Blake had gone through a "gender recognition process"?

Well, she's wrong for a start. I'm sure I read during the trial it was made clear Blake has no GRC.

YC made several direct and indirect references to the GRA. Also at pains to distinguish between 'biological' sex and gender.

So I took it that she's reserving her position on 'legal' sex. Which is a massive fence sit.

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BoreOfWhabylon · 28/02/2024 11:04

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BoreOfWhabylon · 28/02/2024 11:03

Ah, thanks Nauticant. Martha's stepping down after the election so we've got EB for a while longer.

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CriticalCondition · 28/02/2024 11:02

It was announced a couple of days ago. She's taking over from Martha Kearney who will leave later this year. I think the timing will be after the election, whenever that is.

nauticant · 28/02/2024 10:59

Cooper was trying to give out two different messages. That sex matters in terms of the criminal justice system but hedged about sufficiently so that if need be she can claim she didn't really mean that, or she meant "mostly".

What did people make of her mangled sentence in which she seemed to say that Blake had gone through a "gender recognition process"?

lanadelgrey · 28/02/2024 10:59

Interview with YC is second item, about 10.15 and the Blake question 10.20 ish

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BoreOfWhabylon · 28/02/2024 10:58

Oh, I hadn't heard she's leaving WH. Doubt I'll bother listening in future if that's the case.

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PaterPower · 28/02/2024 10:58

Yes, caught a chunk of that in the car. She was excellent. The shadow Home Sec rather less so, IMO.

CriticalCondition · 28/02/2024 10:54

She will be a sad loss to WH but I'm very glad she will be able to expose this shit show to a prime time radio audience when she moves to the Today programme. Which often shapes the news agenda of the day.

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