From the US: mother of TiF went undercover at gender clinic

The NHS has also got money to waste spend on helping people try to sound like the opposite sex, apparently

https://twitter.com/SomersetFT/status/1762515436623802859

This.

We need a proper NICE review of the evidence as to whether providing cross sex hormones and surgery for gender dysphoria is value for money.

An unbiased review of the evidence would show that it isn't, so the NHS should stop funding it.

People who want extreme body modifications for any reason should fund them themselves.

Imagine if someone actually put all their effort into actually giving a shit about the unnecessary shit these people are putting themselves through when they have perfectly good working bodies until the insurance led medical people get their hands on them.

Unsurprisingly one poster as usual thinks green is yellow and up is down. And can't see that this woman wasn't committing insurance fraud for the laughs she was highlighting the flaws in the system.

All sensible people should be screaming about teenage girls having their breasts cut off. It's a shocking dereliction of medical ethics.

Ignore the evidence! It comes from the wrong sort of person!!

A 53-year-old middle-class woman with excellent insurance who wouldn't accept her son's gender identity lied about her symptoms and was offered treatment, as a gotcha to her transgender son, who is more mature and understands boundaries far better than she does.

She gets two mental health screenings before receiving hormones and another before she's referred to surgery. She is no longer fertile and has at least one child.Doctors ask about trauma, mental health and social transition. It took 300 days to be offered surgery. If you lie to your doctor, you are quite likely to get the wrong treatment. Her subtext is that no one should get gender-affirming care.

She's exactly the sort of person you'd expect her to be. She runs a chapter of Moms for Liberty, and was under a workplace violence restraining order. She was removed from back to school night at the highschool for screaming about teen girls having their breasts cut off. She has doxxed teachers. She's sent videos to Libs of TikTok and now, she's committed insurance fraud. I think she could be up for the Most Divorced Person of the Year.

Imagine if she'd poured all that misplaced energy into building a relationship with her child instead of transphobia, book banning, and opposing "critical race theory" and LBGT education in schools.

https://www.assignedmedia.org/breaking-news/m4l-chair-fakes-gd-shocked-at-gd-diagnosis

Not an illness? So why are we supposed to make special allowances and arrangements then?

I thought we were accommodating people with a significant additional need.

There are people dying every day in the NHS that could have been saved due to waiting times / lists. There are statistics on it. Something like several hundred avoidable deaths a week in A&E alone.

And yet they're spending money on this shit, apparently. People should have to pay for body modification themselves. Counselling should be free on the NHS, but not surgery on healthy bodies. That should be paid for by the person wanting it. There's zero evidence it improves mental health. It's money that could be spent on treatments that actually do have an evidence base showing efficacy and that benefits outweigh risks.

Edited to add: I know this is in the US, but the NHS is spending money that could be better spent elsewhere on these surgeries with no evidence base.

“If ‘gender dysphoria’ is not a mental illness, what are the doctors offering these treatments actually treating?”

Could it be seen as a life style?

My fear is if the NHS has to choose between spending money on say reducing death at birth and providing whatever medical support this non-illness needs (hormones, surgery)… which will be prioritised?

Well that's it, isn't it, if you are an adult you can just choose to take whatever drugs you want and choose off whatever bits of your body and the doctors just tick the box and pass them through.

If that's the case, what is the point of doctors and training if it is just a tick box exercise? Just do a survey monkey and see what comes out.

The problem with gender ideology is that it literally destroys everything and everyone it touches.

Gender dysphoria is not a mental illness.

What is it then?
Why does it need significant medical intervention if not an illness?

I don't know @Brainworm but I have a feeling that here too surgery connected with transy wrongfeelz is far easier to get. Referrals to GIDS were certainly offered with bugger all questioning or investigation. Some of our young (and old) people will have been saved by the queues, but others have been maimed by a dysfunctional system at their most vulnerable moment.

This makes me wonder about differences between the USA and here.

Over here, treatment linked to the reproductive system(sterilisation, HRT) are tightly controlled. Even when going outside of the NHS and paying for prescriptions, doctors are very cautious. This isn't an age if consent issue.

Does anyone know if in the States, these can be accessed on request, and without 'gatekeeping'?

@PP82 Taking cross sex hormones and having surgery to cosmetically modify genitalia inevitably causes harmful side effects, which may include permanent sterility, loss of ability to orgasm, and reduced life expectancy.

If ‘gender dysphoria’ is not a mental illness, what are the doctors offering these treatments actually treating?

Gender dysphoria is not a mental illness

Yes it is. The clue is in the word dysphoria. It’s in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Health Disorders 5th Edition Text Revision (DSM 5 TR).

The clue there is “mental health disorder”. HTH.

He's doing the ironing at the moment so he'll have to sort it later.

Gender dysphoria is not a mental illness.

Look at the kitchen floor!!

I think your 'husband' missed a bit.

I don’t know if this link will work - it is a 34 year old woman who has known since she was 19 that she does not want biological children. She is a step-parent, but knows absolutely that she does not want to be pregnant/have a biological child.

No medical professional will assist her - she has begged for sterilisation for over 10 years.

Yet - how quickly could the woman doing this exposé (and others far younger) have their uterus removed because “trans”?

https://www.news.com.au/national/south-australia/rickielee/video/100cc28b07a90b7fbb95d125226263b3

• Edited as last sentence unclear in meaning.

You forgot getting a gastric band? You would be medically negligent and violate her rights as an adult to not refer her for surgery for a gastric band if that’s what she wanted.

If a 31 year old anorexic woman went to the doctor and said they believed they were fat would you expect a doctor to
a) Do medical checks and refer for therapy
or
b) prescribe ozempic

Very interesting - thanks for sharing this.

The underlying principle of medicine is “First, do no harm”. This applies to adults and children alike.

I see that to some posters that merely being older than 18 is all that is needed to abandon any formal diagnosis. So, in effect, this is a group that can get access to extreme body modification whenever they want. Good to know

If I went to the doctor convinced I needed a knee replacement, should I get one? Or should they check the underlying condition needed a knee replacement?