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BBC News does not inform readers cat killer and murderer Scarlett Blake is transgender in this article. I intend to complain to ofcom. These are not our crimes.

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Heylo · 26/02/2024 15:13

Has anyone seen this recent article on the transgender (trans woman) Scarlett Blake who was sentenced to 24 years today for murdering a man. Blake also killed a cat. Pls see this recent article from bbc news. BBC news puts nowhere in article that Blake is transgender. Uses pronouns ‘she’ and refers to Blake as a woman.

bbc article here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68401335

These are not our crimes. I am reporting the omission of the fact Blake is transgender to Ofcom. I wonder if anyone is thinking the same (about reporting to ofcom, here is the link: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/complaints )

Make a complaint

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https://www.ofcom.org.uk/complaints

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VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 26/02/2024 23:16

Thehigheroffer · 26/02/2024 23:08

The Guardian and Independent have their faults but they don't descend into the sewer like the sun and Mail

That depends on what you class as "the sewer".

The Guardian, when cheerleading for "Marie Dean", the poor hard-done-by TW languishing on hunger strike in a men's prison to protest "her" placement in the male estate and lack of straighteners, completely failed to mention that "she" is in there partly for committing lewd acts with the knickers of teen girls stolen from the houses "she" burgled. If you didn't notice that the sentence handed down to this burglar was unusually long, you wouldn't think to search for the name and discover that "she" is Gary Dean Marie.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/02/2024 23:16

The Guardian and Independent aren't exactly honest these days either. Fair Play For Women had to send solicitor's letters to the Indy because the Indy lied about some research that FPFW did into TW prisoners that turned out to be correct when MoJ published the official figures.

I contributed towards that letter! <proud>

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 26/02/2024 23:15

jm9138 · 26/02/2024 22:55

"These are not our crimes" is a way of expressing that these crimes statistically belong to the Asian race class.

I would not be ok with that statement. And it is the phrasing I am saying is off. Not the sentiment that he should be labelled as a man.

There aren't "Asian crimes". There are "male crimes". I suspect that you are hinting at white racists disowning corrosive liquid throwing? Your analogy is bullshit for two reasons:

  1. White men have thrown corrosive liquids going back to Victorian times if not before before. It was usually sulphur acid, at the time known as "vitriol". Tarring and feathering as a comparable burn-injuring crime goes back even further.
  2. It's not Asian women, nor women from any other racial group, who commit most corrosive liquid throwings. It's men.
Chersfrozenface · 26/02/2024 23:11

jm9138 · 26/02/2024 22:55

"These are not our crimes" is a way of expressing that these crimes statistically belong to the Asian race class.

I would not be ok with that statement. And it is the phrasing I am saying is off. Not the sentiment that he should be labelled as a man.

Not Our Crimes and the hashtag #Notourcrimes have been used to point out when crimes, usually violent and/or sexual, are described in the media as having been committed by a “woman,” who is actually a man, for at least 5 years to my knowledge.

But, as others have said, you know that full well.

Thehigheroffer · 26/02/2024 23:08

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 26/02/2024 23:06

The Guardian and Independent aren't exactly honest these days either. Fair Play For Women had to send solicitor's letters to the Indy because the Indy lied about some research that FPFW did into TW prisoners that turned out to be correct when MoJ published the official figures.

The Guardian and Independent have their faults but they don't descend into the sewer like the sun and Mail

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 26/02/2024 23:06

Thehigheroffer · 26/02/2024 21:43

If you feel like they are liars then don't read the Sun or Daily Mail. That will raise your blood pressure very high!

The Guardian and Independent aren't exactly honest these days either. Fair Play For Women had to send solicitor's letters to the Indy because the Indy lied about some research that FPFW did into TW prisoners that turned out to be correct when MoJ published the official figures.

OnSecondThoughts · 26/02/2024 23:04

I personally don't think there's any point whatsoever in complaining to the BBC, or Ofcom, or even Parliament. They're all just different organs of the state, and this whole policy comes right from the top, it's not "incompetence".

Peskysquirrel · 26/02/2024 23:03

jm9138 · 26/02/2024 22:55

"These are not our crimes" is a way of expressing that these crimes statistically belong to the Asian race class.

I would not be ok with that statement. And it is the phrasing I am saying is off. Not the sentiment that he should be labelled as a man.

No one is saying anything about the "Asian race class" 🤔
Not our crimes is a protest that this crime has been repeatedly reported as being committed by a woman, when it's actually a man.
But I think you know that.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/02/2024 23:02

That's not what anyone is saying and you know it.

It's the angle many TRAs on social media seem to have decided to go with.

ErrolTheDragon · 26/02/2024 22:59

That's not what anyone is saying and you know it.

Blake is specifically being referred to as being a woman. He isn't one.
People are saying 'look at the rise in violent women! Women do it too!'.

Nope #thiswasnotourcrime.

jm9138 · 26/02/2024 22:55

ErrolTheDragon · 26/02/2024 22:50

I think it is an unfortunate expression. I think if you were to replace ‘male’ with any other characteristic you would see why even if it was statistically correct.

It's the exact equivalent of a white person committing a heinous crime but it being reported as being done by a black person. Would you for one moment be surprised if the black community said 'this was not our crime'? Would you criticise them for wanting to set the record straight?
The only way in which it's not analagous, of course, is that white people who 'identify as black' are quite rightly vilified rather than the press colluding with them.

"These are not our crimes" is a way of expressing that these crimes statistically belong to the Asian race class.

I would not be ok with that statement. And it is the phrasing I am saying is off. Not the sentiment that he should be labelled as a man.

Iafontaine · 26/02/2024 22:51

Criminal justice and criminology actually means something, so does sex.
Great to see the customary faux naivety attempting to derail.

ErrolTheDragon · 26/02/2024 22:50

I think it is an unfortunate expression. I think if you were to replace ‘male’ with any other characteristic you would see why even if it was statistically correct.

It's the exact equivalent of a white person committing a heinous crime but it being reported as being done by a black person. Would you for one moment be surprised if the black community said 'this was not our crime'? Would you criticise them for wanting to set the record straight?
The only way in which it's not analagous, of course, is that white people who 'identify as black' are quite rightly vilified rather than the press colluding with them.

FrancescaContini · 26/02/2024 22:46

Or: why bother making this comment when you haven’t bothered reading beyond the OP? (Rhetorical question)

Girlontherailreplacementbusservice · 26/02/2024 22:45

thebestinterest · 26/02/2024 22:40

Op why does her gender / assigned sex at birth matter here?

If it doesn't matter then why bother to report it at all?

Either it doesn't matter or it is important enough to lie about.

FrancescaContini · 26/02/2024 22:45

thebestinterest · 26/02/2024 22:40

Op why does her gender / assigned sex at birth matter here?

Have you read the entire thread?

OvaHere · 26/02/2024 22:45

thebestinterest · 26/02/2024 22:40

Op why does her gender / assigned sex at birth matter here?

Try reading the thread. He doesn't have a lady gender, he wasn't assigned anything at birth. He's a man. A sadistic killer. Not a woman. Not female and he never has been.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/02/2024 22:44

thebestinterest · 26/02/2024 22:40

Op why does her gender / assigned sex at birth matter here?

His sex matters as this is a crime attributed to women when that's not true. There's little enough confidence in the media these days so when they openly lie and say a woman has committed these crimes, it matters.

OnSecondThoughts · 26/02/2024 22:43

His gender / "assined sex at birth" is the gender / sex that HE IS. That's why it matters.
It's HIS mental illness fantasy about what sex he imagines himself to be - that's the bit that has no relevance. Thank you.

thebestinterest · 26/02/2024 22:40

Op why does her gender / assigned sex at birth matter here?

FrancescaContini · 26/02/2024 22:38

maudelovesharold · 26/02/2024 21:52

It’s like the Emperor’s New Clothes writ large…again.
We all know ‘she’s’ a male, and has committed typically male crimes, we can even see he’s a male when he’s prowling around, looking for his victim, on CCTV, fgs, but acknowledgment of this apparently makes us transphobic (no it doesn’t), and we’re not allowed to speak the truth. When we do, it’s denied. There’s a lot of this gaslighting around at the moment. I’m finding the same applies with any criticism of the Israeli government. To speak the truth about what we see is denied and is apparently anti-Semitic (no, it isn’t).

Agree with you on all points here, Maude.

BinkyBeaufort · 26/02/2024 22:37

Watching BBC 10 o'clock news just now it was only when they reported that this monster was being sent to a make prison that I thought eyup that's odd.
Referred to throughout as a woman and HE ISN'T. Throw away comment at the end about transgender woman. Even that is still using our pronoun to describe a male.
I'm so angry that women are being tarred with the brush of male violence.
A complaint will be made ....

nutmeg7 · 26/02/2024 22:24

Thehigheroffer · 26/02/2024 19:37

According to 2020 figures, in England and Wales, 93% of murderers are male and 7% female. While the overwhelming majority are of course men it hardly indicates that murders by women are rare

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7% sounds quite rare to me. 93% is a huge majority.
Is there any point quibbling over the exact quantities that constitute ‘rare’ ‘very rare’ ‘unusual’ etc?
There is a very very clear difference between the sexes in this regard. It’s not a slight difference, it is huge.

BettyFilous · 26/02/2024 22:00

OvaHere · 26/02/2024 21:29

On the flip side of this I tend to assume these days that women commit very few crimes.

Every time an outlet like the BBC uses words like "A woman was arrested" or "A woman was charged" my default assumption now is they are lying to me and it's actually a man.

Same if it’s a typical male offence.