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BBC News does not inform readers cat killer and murderer Scarlett Blake is transgender in this article. I intend to complain to ofcom. These are not our crimes.

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Heylo · 26/02/2024 15:13

Has anyone seen this recent article on the transgender (trans woman) Scarlett Blake who was sentenced to 24 years today for murdering a man. Blake also killed a cat. Pls see this recent article from bbc news. BBC news puts nowhere in article that Blake is transgender. Uses pronouns ‘she’ and refers to Blake as a woman.

bbc article here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68401335

These are not our crimes. I am reporting the omission of the fact Blake is transgender to Ofcom. I wonder if anyone is thinking the same (about reporting to ofcom, here is the link: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/complaints )

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ArabellaScott · 27/02/2024 12:51

'certain people got very very cross about it' - Vine.

Women, Jeremy. Women have fucking had enough.

ArabellaScott · 27/02/2024 12:48

https://twitter.com/Brig333/status/1762459644717412842

'Jeremy Vine - using the word ‘woman’ with ‘she/her’ pronouns to refer to Scarlett Blake whilst debating the use of dishonest language used by the media surrounding the news story'

https://twitter.com/Brig_333/status/1762459644717412842

ArabellaScott · 27/02/2024 12:46

Gosh, not heard from Fae for a while.

Jackiebrambles · 27/02/2024 12:41

I wonder what biological sex ‘Jayne’ is. That’s rhetorical 😂

KCandtheSunlightBand · 27/02/2024 12:39

Yep, let’s roll out Jayne Faye!

TheUsualChaos · 27/02/2024 12:39

Already lost count of how many times JV has said "she" 😡

KCandtheSunlightBand · 27/02/2024 12:32

oakleaffy · 27/02/2024 12:15

Have it on the laptop now...Urgh...I didn't realise that it was basically a music show. So one has to listen to a load of ghastly pop before one gets to lightweight chit chat.

{As you can tell, not used to Radio 2!}

Yes, sorry. It’s normally the point that I switch off R2. I used to be a R4 listener all day, until Woman’s Hour became indoctrinated and intolerable!

Jackiebrambles · 27/02/2024 12:30

It’s the next item up on Jeremy Vine, radio 2, listening now.

IcakethereforeIam · 27/02/2024 12:29

A report on the BBC's reporting in the Spectator

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-is-the-bbc-spreading-fake-news-about-a-trans-cat-killing-murderer/

Apparently, Blake's 'deadname' (one of them anyway), his original name is Fangze Wang. The phrase 'deadname' isn't used in the report, thankfully. I found it tasteless enough in the Brianna Ghey murder. It somehow seems worse here. Blake moving through his life, leaving a trail of deadnames and then one actual corpse.

Why is the BBC not telling the full truth about a trans cat-killing murderer?

Scarlet Blake murdered a man in Oxford, but nowhere in the BBC lunchtime news's coverage of the case did it say Blake was born a man

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-is-the-bbc-spreading-fake-news-about-a-trans-cat-killing-murderer

IcakethereforeIam · 27/02/2024 12:18

I think the cat killing didn't come to light until Bell dobbed him in for the murder.

Surely by 17 puberty is well underway, what's the point of blocking it then? It's a pity the Tavi didn't do more for Blake's mental health, perhaps their patient wouldn't have gone on to murder.

oakleaffy · 27/02/2024 12:15

PaterPower · 27/02/2024 12:06

If it gets touched on at all, I’d be amazed.

But if it does get airtime, I’d bet it’ll be Jeremy doing his usual “both sides” / “it’s complicated” routine and he’ll stack the guests he uses so that the TWAW mantra gets a good airing whilst the ‘counterpoint’ will come from an “inclusion” correspondent. You know the sort - someone who’ll parrot something about IPSO guidelines whilst not touching the actual issue with a bargepole.

But hey, you never know. At some point he’s got to grow a backbone.

Have it on the laptop now...Urgh...I didn't realise that it was basically a music show. So one has to listen to a load of ghastly pop before one gets to lightweight chit chat.

{As you can tell, not used to Radio 2!}

TooOldForThisNonsense · 27/02/2024 12:13

I’ve complained again. Fuck all will happen, as when I complained about Isla Bryson

PaterPower · 27/02/2024 12:06

oakleaffy · 27/02/2024 11:39

Today's Jeremy Vine - Found it.. here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001whqp

If it gets touched on at all, I’d be amazed.

But if it does get airtime, I’d bet it’ll be Jeremy doing his usual “both sides” / “it’s complicated” routine and he’ll stack the guests he uses so that the TWAW mantra gets a good airing whilst the ‘counterpoint’ will come from an “inclusion” correspondent. You know the sort - someone who’ll parrot something about IPSO guidelines whilst not touching the actual issue with a bargepole.

But hey, you never know. At some point he’s got to grow a backbone.

ArabellaScott · 27/02/2024 12:04

OldCrone · 27/02/2024 10:57

Has this been reported anywhere? I haven't seen any mention of this anywhere.

'Blake was given puberty blockers when she was 17 and also received hormone treatment from the age of 18 after a referral to the Tavistock NHS gender clinic.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13119563/cat-killer-murder-oxford-transgender-victim-random-escort-called-police.html

How Oxford don's transgender daughter was betrayed by escort lover

Scarlet Blake, 26, targeted Jorge Martin Carreno, 30, as he walked home alone from a night out in Oxford in July 2021.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13119563/cat-killer-murder-oxford-transgender-victim-random-escort-called-police.html

Mumsanetta · 27/02/2024 12:02

Can someone please relink the Unherd article? I’ve looked but can’t find it on the thread. Ty💐

oakleaffy · 27/02/2024 11:56

Tortoise2go · 27/02/2024 09:34

Why wasn't he/she detained for the cat crime? That is absolutely horrendous , especially as it lead to another horrible murder.

It's crazy how that wasn't taken seriously as it was just so vile.

Animal cruelty and torture definitely correlates to later abuse and murder of humans.

Many years ago I knew a Magistrate who told us of a terrible animal cruelty case that she referred to Crown Court as she wouldn't be able to hand down a severe enough sentence in Magistrate's Court.

I wish she hadn't mentioned what it was about , as it has troubled me for decades.

That was 'allegedly' perpetrated by two young men.

Magistrate didn't mention any names of course, but I have wondered in the intervening years if the men were ever convicted of serious crimes against women and children.

sallysalt · 27/02/2024 11:48

Farmageddon · 26/02/2024 16:18

It was similarly reported recently in the Times a few days ago, with 'Woman kills...' in the headline, although it was later changed so maybe they got complaints too. It pisses me off, because it's peddling lies on behalf of a murder accused. How are we supposed to trust news sources when it's obvious they are just lying.

Also, in the Times report it stated this person claims to have a cat identity (whatever the fuck that is), so are we to believe this too and just go along with it? If not, why then are we indulging the other delusions this person has about themselves being a woman just because they say so.

Why is one accepted as delusional nonsense and the other is a special identity that must be prioritised at all times? They are both just lies in this person's head.

Agreed...the headline should read....Cat murders man....then maybe the media will be held more accountable for its 'facts'

oakleaffy · 27/02/2024 11:39

Today's Jeremy Vine - Found it.. here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001whqp

BBC News does not inform readers cat killer and murderer Scarlett Blake is transgender in this article. I intend to complain to ofcom. These are not our crimes.
catduckgoose · 27/02/2024 11:37

OldCrone · 27/02/2024 10:57

Has this been reported anywhere? I haven't seen any mention of this anywhere.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13119563/amp/cat-killer-murder-oxford-transgender-victim-random-escort-called-police.html

Daily Mail article mentions it near the end of their article:

Blake was given puberty blockers when she was 17 and also received hormone treatment from the age of 18 after a referral to the Tavistock NHS gender clinic. She is still receiving hormone replacement therapy but has been kept in a Category A men’s prison.

How Oxford don's transgender daughter was betrayed by escort lover

Scarlet Blake, 26, targeted Jorge Martin Carreno, 30, as he walked home alone from a night out in Oxford in July 2021.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13119563/amp/cat-killer-murder-oxford-transgender-victim-random-escort-called-police.html

oakleaffy · 27/02/2024 11:34

KCandtheSunlightBand · 27/02/2024 11:32

It’s going to be on Jeremy Vine show in Radio 2, concentrating in the male crime being reported as female, apparently.

I'll try to catch that on BBC 'Sounds' -if I can't catch it 'Live' . Thank you.

Edit : Is this today's show? Can't see any mention of this online for today.

KCandtheSunlightBand · 27/02/2024 11:32

It’s going to be on Jeremy Vine show in Radio 2, concentrating in the male crime being reported as female, apparently.

OldCrone · 27/02/2024 10:57

ArabellaScott · 27/02/2024 06:29

He was treated at the Tavi. Blockers and hormones. Also has a contact with Gender GP.

Has this been reported anywhere? I haven't seen any mention of this anywhere.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 27/02/2024 10:46

jm9138 · 27/02/2024 10:30

I base this on the fact that you said "it implies that the crimes of an individual are the responsibility of or ‘owned by’ people who share a characteristic with that individual".

No, it does not imply any 'responsibility' in that way. No more than I am 'responsible' for Lucy Letby's crimes because she's female and so am I. But I accept 100% that she belongs to the same sex class as me. I don't feel personally blamed by that fact.

Absolutely right. It is not your responsibility that Lucy Letby killed babies. But then you say:

Male violence is a big problem in society. Men need to step up and address it. Not get personally butt-hurt because they feel they're being got at.

But the violence of some males is the responsibility of all males. Can you not see the contradiction in what you posted?

This is a completely pointless argument. As I said I agreed with the original poster. I agree 100% with their sentiment. If you like look at my other posts on similar issues you will see I have very strong views of the trans movement and the harm it is doing. I don't like the phrase (I am not the only one who posted they don't like it) and explained why.

I have complained myself numerous times to the BBC on how they report trans issues and how they seem to bombard us with selected stories all the time. So just today they had a big news story on the front page of the website about a non-binary identifying teen who was beaten up and bullied by three girls in a school toilet in America and died a while later (although it is not really clear whether the kicking was the sole cause of death or medical incompetence). Why is this story on the front page of the BBC? There are 70 people murdered every day in the US, so why choose this one? Yesterday a man was in court for stabbing to death two men in Halifax a couple of months ago, but this story only made the local BBC website. The bias in the BBC goes far deeper than just the pro nouns they have used for a murderer (which is not to minimise that) with the selective reporting and editorial oversight they have being far harder to spot unless you really look for it.

But the violence of some males is the responsibility of all males. Can you not see the contradiction in what you posted?

The only people who can fix male violence is men. Violent men do not listen to women. Men need to normalise asking for support, talking about bad feelings instead of using their fists, and walking away from a fight.

A substantial proportion of female-perpetrated murders are a woman with post-partum psychosis killing her child. Women are already campaigning to improve detection and treatment of that condition to prevent these murders. Men need to do similar for each other.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 27/02/2024 10:39

ArabellaScott · 27/02/2024 08:13

No. Pronouns are not a 'right' that is dependent on good behaviour. Society needs to use accurate information to function. Gaslighting anyone by deliberately using descriptors we know to be factually incorrect is damaging and confusing.

You're right. It's a courtesy, not a right, and others shouldn't be compelled to honour it.