BBC News does not inform readers cat killer and murderer Scarlett Blake is transgender in this article. I intend to complain to ofcom. These are not our crimes.

How many of those women followed a random victim on the street and strangled a stranger?
Women killing is comparatively rare, women killing an unknown man is rarer, women killing a man unknown to them for sexual gratification is rocking horse 💩rare!

Who is Lucy Leroy?

Missing the point massively.

Just to be clear then-

Rose West's are 'our crimes'?

Beverly Allitt's are 'our crimes'?

Lucy Leroy's are 'our crimes'?

They may be yours. If you want to claim them, go ahead. But they're not mine .

@nettie434

Agree.

Its not beyond the wit of the home office to keep a list of crimes by transgender individuals separately anyway, both m-f and f-m separated, they could be useful to see if natal women taking testosterone affects offending patterns too

According to 2020 figures, in England and Wales, 93% of murderers are male and 7% female. While the overwhelming majority are of course men it hardly indicates that murders by women are rare

I agree.

I'm particularly annoyed that the BBC has doubled down on this because lots of people complained about their coverage at the end of last week when Blake was found guilty. Even if the complaints department is so swamped that complaints aren't read in details for some days after submission, surely they must be monitoring what news items are giving rise to complaints and passing that back to BBC News.

I gave them positive feedback in November (can't even remember why now!) and got this automated message:

This is an automated message (sorry that we can’t reply individually) to let you know that we’ve read your feedback and will report it overnight to staff across the BBC for them to read too (after removing any personal details). This includes our programme makers, commissioning editors and senior management.

Now, if they can do that for positive feedback, why aren't they doing it for complaints, which are likely to be more urgent?

I agree @Heylo these crimes should not be recorded as by women. They aren't and will never be women. It also messes up crime statistics and makes it appear that women rape (impossible a woman to rape), sexually assault and murder in higher numbers than before.

Not in my name. Fed up of this madness and pandering to what is another sick male. He committed the crime, not a woman.

It matters for a number of reasons:

Because the 'be kind' trans women aren't like men mantra can continue if it isn't called out. If there isn't a record of trans womens crimes and if female stats show rising levels of 'female' violence the women are dangerous too line is repeated and believed.

Because victims are being forced to lie in court calling men women when they know it's not the case

Because if the perpetrator hasn't been caught an inaccurate description hinders the hunt for the killer.

If it's recorded as a female crime that warps the crime statics, it could lead to money being wasted on 'violent women' initiatives when as ever this type of violence is almost always carried out by men.

It is not our crime.

He will be sent to a men’s prison. He is a trans identifying male - he is a male who has transitioned.

So many ways to describe the actual facts.

Then they could just say man or male instead, no need to mention transgender.

Was very clear on the 6 o'clock news including that she will be sent to a men's prison. They used she but made it absolutely clear she was transgender

Well said. The reason MH, RW etc are household names is because sadistic murders committed by women are so rare. There are so many male murderers and sexual predators that only the absolutely heinous ones stand out. Most male crimes get minimal reporting because they're so run of the mill.

No, @Thehigheroffer, can't you read? I wrote 'women seldom commit crimes anything like these'.

You list some women killers by name, thereby proving their rarity - you can remember them, even though some of their crimes date from decades ago.

Their crimes are also different to Blake's: Hindley was working with a man and we can't know how that influenced her actions, but you can't compare her with a sole actor such as Blake was.

Nor can you compare him with killer nurses, who are different again, as they have a specific cohort they victimise and there's the possible Munchausen/'Angel' thing going on with them.

Female Nazi guards - again a specific group with a very vulnerable cohort available to them but their actions were totally backed by the state.

It's vanishingly rare to find a woman who does what Blake has done.

"Article is now clear, it includes the paragraph:

'The Ministry of Justice said Blake, who is transgender, would serve the sentence in a men's prison.'"

I disagree, @HappyintheHills; the article is still not clear. It uses female pronouns from beginning to end, and the line you quote could easily be (mis)interpreted as meaning that Blake was born female and had transitioned to male, hence serving their sentence in a men's prison. It's not clear at all.

Also, the line starting "Her trial heard that she had been on the streets looking for potential victims" - sounds to my ears like they were trying to shoe-horn as many 'she/her's' into the article as possible; surely 'THE trial heard...' would be the normal way to construct that sentence..?

Yes. Call Mariana Spring! I’m sure she/her will get to the bottom of this.

And Jon Ronson while we’re at it. Just heard his Things Fall Apart trailer with his odd little voice saying “But that’s not true is it?”

Really? I missed that. How novel.

This post is a brazen display of intellectual dishonesty. @Thehigheroffer goes beyond taking a quote out of context and actually makes up a fake quote and hopes that we won't notice. Do you think that we are blind? Actually, you possibly do because TRAs often claim that women cannot see the difference between men and women, which would rely on us being blind.

You could not ask for a clearer example of the Straw Man Fallacy.

Thank you for making our point perfectly. Women don’t commit crimes like this. You have listed 2 women who killed babies, an accomplice to a male psychopath from 60 years ago and female guards from 80 years ago.

This was a male crime committed by a trans woman egged on by another trans woman. Transwomen retain male offending patterns

You know differently from everyone else then. Brianna's death was nothing to do with trans issues, aside perhaps from being vulnerable. I take it you are aware there were 5 teenagers on the hit list, and none of the others were trans. Brianna was the second one they tried to kill, after failing to enage the first one.

I don't care btw whether Scarlet Blake is trans or not. The issue is that HE IS A MAN, A MAN, A FUCKING MAN.

Yes it really needs to be made clear that this is a man. This must be a big problem in criminology (and compromises present and future research) but the silence is deafening. I am presently doing an LLM in Cambridge (I am a lawyer on a sabbatical from another country) and it's been interesting how little those academics active in trans-affected subjects will engage critically with the subject or at all, but that's perhaps for another thread.

You poster you're replying to didn't say 'Women don't commit crimes like that', or anything similar, despite the quote marks you placed around it. She made a careful, precise, factual statement which you seem to have ignored because it's impossible to argue with, and instead argued against some fantasy debate opponent who exists only in your head.

This is a great example of the inability of TRAs to debate or discuss honestly.

Apparently he was a triplet. So devastating for his family in Spain.

RIP Jorge. What a needless death of a beloved brother and son.

If someone like Rachael Dolezal or Benjamin Butterworth committed a crime like this and was reported as being Black, there would be widespread outrage and people calling out the double-dose of racism inherent in a white perp claiming to be Black and the press upholding and repeating that claim.

Yet women are called bigoted etc when a male murderer claims to be a woman and we object to this. Why are women the only class of people expected to tolerate this collective slander?