I think I’m being targeted because I said Adult Human Female publicly.

OP please don't fall into justifying yourself or posting text that could ID you in real life. Take care of yourself and get that post deleted with that info in it.

@Catiette brilliant posts, you put it perfectly thank you. @GrandKarber I'm so sorry you're going through this. It is absolutely wrong. And not nice that there's a goady poster who has decided that you are to blame for this. Sending

Christina doing sterling #BeeeeeKind #OperationLetThemSpeak work for The Right Side Of History again, I see.

Erm...that is exactly what you are doing. You are twisting things to be "anti-trans" entirely based on your perception. Maybe you should re-examine your own language before criticizing others.

Your passion and eloquence is beautiful 👏👏👏

Re: @Christinapple's post at 1441...

That's fairly unambiguous: the OP used the phrase "adult human female", and that's equated to "openly stating they are anti-trans".

So, Christina, my question stands.

What word/s are we allowed to use to distinguish us as a class with distinct political needs while safeguarding us from potentially violent accusations of bigotry?

Exactly this.

Best of luck, OP.

The TRAs got a terrific lead by piggy-backing on the gay-rights movement, so most people’s first impression was that they were a harmless oppressed minority. Brilliant though dishonest PR.

But as news sources get braver about reporting the issues, I think the public is waking up. And this of course makes the TRAs more aggressive than ever.

Please don't twist or manipulate what I actually said, thanks.

Just trying to suggest why whatever community OP was posting on may not be currently welcoming of members who appear and openly state they are anti-trans.

🙂

It makes me so angry (maybe you could tell!)

Writing helps a little.

But only a little.

Catiette · Today 14:12

Posts like this are what the Thanks button was made for!

Pardon the French, but...

These firsts still matter for us. And they're being taken away, rendered meaningless - and when there is no real, female, first - a first that is truly ours - that ongoing potential discrimination is now being proactively hidden from sight. We can no longer know for sure. It's devastating.

OK, take woman if you insist, it looks like you've won that fight for now at least - but, please, please, leave us something. Just a word. Just some way to distinguish our ongoing, dragging, desperately-needed progress after all these millennia.

It upsets me so much.

It's really, utterly devastating.

QE fucking D.

https://www.bristol247.com/news-and-features/features/bristol-first-female-councillor-elected-openly-trans

@Christinapple "By making a point of using these words one is basically saying "look everyone, just so you all know I'm a TERF"."

So what words may we use, then, Christina?

We're the class of people who only just got the vote 100 years ago, can't leave the house in Afghanistan, are selectively aborted on a terrifying scale internationally and are 70% more likely to be injured in a car accident here.

We used to have a word to describe ourselves. We used that word to win the vote. We were using it to fight the fights above. We needed it. But now it's been taken from us.

And the objective phrase we resorted to instead, as the only way left to name ourselves? You appear to be inferring above that using it makes threats to violence, if not justifiable, then at least understandable.

So what may we call ourselves?

I ask in all seriousness. Day to day I find myself wanting to use "woman" as it used to be understood, only to remember it's likely to be understood differently. So I brace myself to substitute "adult human female", only to realise it could be taken in bad faith by people like yourself. So I choose between the word that doesn't mean me any more, or the phrase that actually makes me feel unsafe in certain contexts (after all, you say it yourself, above - my using it really can make people that angry).

And it eats away at me as I realise how little I must matter, for society - for our probable next PM, of all things - to have put me in this position.

You've left me without words.

How can you believe this to be defensible?

OP, I'm so sorry. Every time a woman - here at least I know it's still understood - speaks up, she runs this risk. It's a terrifying attempt to silence us. And it's deeply, ethically wrong.

Even this thread, though, will be opening eyes.

Did OP mention and condone the postings of notable gender critical figures such as JK Rowling?
WTH? Are you saying being publicly in agreement with JKR means you deserve to be threatened and harrassed?

so just second hand, and often inaccurate reporting then? Maybe apply some critical thinking to your opinions, and some consideration and empathy towards the OP

If this is indeed all there is to it, then possibly because although there's nothing wrong with these words, they are now heavily associated with the gender critical movement.

This only happened because trans activists have been throwing an almighty mantrum for years now over women having words to describe ourselves.

They could have just not done that.

Ah, so now it’s actually ok for people to threaten OP and her family because she used the words “adult human female”……Wow!

If this is indeed all there is to it, then possibly because although there's nothing wrong with these words, they are now heavily associated with the gender critical movement.

By making a point of using these words one is basically saying "look everyone, just so you all know I'm a TERF". Again, hard to say much with so little context, but maybe said community has recently had issues with homophobia or transphobia and isn't currently in the mood for a gender critical person going JK Rowling over their community? OP could well have been willing to talk in good faith but the community were anticipating trouble and just didn't want to risk it? Just throwing out suggestions.

IIRC from last year, one of the NZ protestors who attended the planned Kelly Jay Keen event to protest when later interviewed said something along the lines of "we've recently had problems with homophobia and transphobia so we don't want these people here".

you do realise a prize of a million quid is up for grabs to anyone that can prove JKR said or did anything transphobic-you should be a shoo-in for that. Meanwhile, back on planet earth, this is how it really goes. There is reality (objective, provable and demonstrable), and then there is stuff you would like to be true in your head. Try not to get the two mixed up.

I wasn't going to say but since you asked:

-Obsess with trans people to the point fellow-TERF Elon Musk tells her to post about something else. That's saying something.

-Posted a photo of a trans woman football manager (who has done nothing wrong, just someone who happens to be trans) to 14 million followers to post shit about knowing full well there are people in the comments going to post photos of woodchippers, GIFs of guns being loaded and baseball bats which Rowling never condemns. Trans people don't even need to be criminals or sex offenders for Rowling to target, they just need to exist.

-Reposted a defaced pride flag that had the caption "get this shit off our flag". The "shit" JK Rowling refers to here are the stripes that refer to trans people, gay people of colour and victims of HIV/AIDs.

-Wasn't there also a homosexual man who talked about receiving abusive pile-ons? And Rowling replied something like "guffaw guffaw I almost pulled something!". Her hatred of trans people also extends to gay people who support trans people. In my books she is homophobic as well as transphobic and no friend or ally of the LGBT community.

Think she is well liked or respected? Ask any (non-gender critical) community made up of young people what they think of her. Go to any gay bar in the country and ask them what they think of her. Ask any of the Harry Potter movie actors under the age of 50. etc

IMHO she is radicalised- all her online and offline friends are very radical TERFs so she is exposed to anti-trans stuff everywhere every day. One can only imagine what her twitter looks like when she logs on.

Also asking in good faith - What part of that "youtube channel" is gender critical? Did the person say that they are critical of the concept of gender, that they believe that gender stereotyping is reductive and that people are welcome to dress and behave as they like, but wearing a dress does not change a man into a woman? Or are you falsely conflating actual transphobia/internet trolls with gender critical feminism?