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Sexist and dangerous Samaritans ad

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Meadowbird · 25/02/2024 09:19

https://twitter.com/samaritans/status/1760599123923722266

A really bizarre ad - encouraging lone women to approach disturbed men on deserted train station platforms and ask them out for a coffee. What could possibly go wrong? They also will become sexier if they do apparently.

https://twitter.com/samaritans/status/1760599123923722266

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Chersfrozenface · 29/02/2024 15:24

6 men a day commit suicide and only 0.097% of women are actually attacked

Not comparable figures. To even begin to compare we would need the number of women attacked, not a percentage, and a timeframe of per day.

Also a source/sources for the figures

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/02/2024 15:24

Why do they always use a woman in these adverts?

mumto2boyss · 29/02/2024 15:24

OceanicBoundlessness · 29/02/2024 15:19

Where do you get a figure of 0.097% of women are actually attacked by a stranger from?

What does attacked by a stranger mean? Does it include the sexual assaults that go unrecorded?

It's from the office of national statistics. And if unrecorded then it isn't data is it (basic statistics). I know it upsets people but the chances of being attacked as a woman - even though it is horrendous - are very very small. We as women 'feel' unsafe but in reality we aren't. The chances of dying as the man in the ad are very high (6 per day). That's the issue.

simperingsychophantsbatman · 29/02/2024 15:23

LadyGAgain · 25/02/2024 10:39

The original post is why feminists get such a bad rap. You're looking for something that isn't there. It's about humanity. The end.

This. It's about trying to reach out to someone who may or may not be struggling. And that's something for everyone to do because you know what, it might be you or someone you care about one day. And that person making a tiny effort to form a connection could make all the difference between someone walking away safely or jumping in front of a train. Sometimes it doesn't take much to make a difference.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/02/2024 15:22

Do you mean "per day"?

OceanicBoundlessness · 29/02/2024 15:19

mumto2boyss · 29/02/2024 15:07

Because when you are depressed or in crisis you fear authority figures and officials - sometimes they are the reason for the depression. There's lots of data and research on this (which advertising agencies consult before making storyboards) as well as lots of research on 'how women feel' as not indicative of the facts of the issue (i.e 6 men a day commit suicide and only 0.097% of women are actually attacked by a stranger). That's ONS figures of course not how people 'feel' on this forum.

Where do you get a figure of 0.097% of women are actually attacked by a stranger from?

What does attacked by a stranger mean? Does it include the sexual assaults that go unrecorded?

StephanieSuperpowers · 29/02/2024 15:17

mumto2boyss · 29/02/2024 15:07

Because when you are depressed or in crisis you fear authority figures and officials - sometimes they are the reason for the depression. There's lots of data and research on this (which advertising agencies consult before making storyboards) as well as lots of research on 'how women feel' as not indicative of the facts of the issue (i.e 6 men a day commit suicide and only 0.097% of women are actually attacked by a stranger). That's ONS figures of course not how people 'feel' on this forum.

Bloody women and their so-called "feelings" when they have a job to do. To hell with the stupid cows.

Plus, what is an "attack" even?

ArabellaScott · 29/02/2024 15:08

'6 men a day commit suicide and only 0.097% of women are actually attacked by a stranger'

Astonishing stats. Where did you get them, please? And can you elaborate?

ArabellaScott · 29/02/2024 15:07

"Women! Are you failing to take responsibility for the mental health of all men?! You selfish, useless besoms should all be arrested. If you're at home, go out now. Seek a man in distress and soothe him, this instant."

mumto2boyss · 29/02/2024 15:07

Banquosbanquet · 25/02/2024 09:53

Why isn't the ad about the male member of staff in the hi-vis vest helping him instead?

Because when you are depressed or in crisis you fear authority figures and officials - sometimes they are the reason for the depression. There's lots of data and research on this (which advertising agencies consult before making storyboards) as well as lots of research on 'how women feel' as not indicative of the facts of the issue (i.e 6 men a day commit suicide and only 0.097% of women are actually attacked by a stranger). That's ONS figures of course not how people 'feel' on this forum.

mumto2boyss · 29/02/2024 15:01

HermioneWeasley · 25/02/2024 09:35

I saw this and couldn’t believe it. Encouraging lone women to strike up conversations with strange men in deserted locations seems criminally irresponsible

Doing nothing whilst someone kills themselves could be construed as criminally responsible (It is in some countries) not having a chat. Jeeez

ArabellaScott · 29/02/2024 15:00

Nothing will go wrong? Promise? All men are safe to approach?

mumto2boyss · 29/02/2024 14:58

Meadowbird · 25/02/2024 09:19

https://twitter.com/samaritans/status/1760599123923722266

A really bizarre ad - encouraging lone women to approach disturbed men on deserted train station platforms and ask them out for a coffee. What could possibly go wrong? They also will become sexier if they do apparently.

It's not bizarre it's very helpful for the 6 men a day who kill themselves (and their families, wives/girlfriends). Nothing will go wrong. You should try it. The ad deserves an award. Why would someone post such a message its worrying.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 28/02/2024 15:06

IcakethereforeIam · 28/02/2024 10:09

Victoria Smith has written an article in the Critic

https://thecritic.co.uk/small-talk-and-big-asks/

As usual, Glosswitch knows the score.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 28/02/2024 10:47

IcakethereforeIam · 28/02/2024 10:09

Victoria Smith has written an article in the Critic

https://thecritic.co.uk/small-talk-and-big-asks/

Great article- thanks for sharing.

EmpressaurusOfTheScathingTinsel · 28/02/2024 10:39

It’s not the same, but for a while I’d stop & say hello to the Big Issue seller I saw on my way to the office every morning - back when I went to the office every day. Because being kind & friendly.

This led to him expecting me to buy him coffees & then one morning feeling me up under the guise of a ‘friendly hug’.

I changed my route.

ArabellaScott · 28/02/2024 09:03

'Samaritans
@samaritans
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Feb 22
You can approach someone you're worried about.You can just ask a question and make small talk.You can just say 'Hello'.You can save a life. #SmallTalkSavesLives

Samaritans
@samaritans
Starting conversations with people who are struggling to cope can save lives. But you should always put your personal safety first.'

It's not enough, Samaritans. The whole premise of this campaign is based on dodgy, sexist ideas.

FrancescaContini · 28/02/2024 08:11

PurpleBugz · 25/02/2024 09:48

It's the fact she's clearly uncomfortable and it's telling women to get over this discomfort for the benefit of an unknown man I find so disturbing.

This is the biggest problem with the “ad”.

sashh · 28/02/2024 07:40

YouJustDoYou · 25/02/2024 09:37

They're not alone, there's a man standing behind him?

Wearing a high viz vest so likely to be a worker at the station. Now he could approach the man without danger and ask if he is OK.

Meadowbird · 28/02/2024 06:28

They’ve added a kind of ‘keep safe’ message now.

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MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 27/02/2024 17:39

OldCrone · 26/02/2024 21:24

Someone mentioned the Brenda Line earlier in the thread.

https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/2023/06/18/the-brenda-line-samaritans-2/

Of course some of them were calling for a laugh or boys wanting to know about sex. The staff were encouraged to engage with them and teach the callers useful information, about sex, whist ignoring the ongoing masturbation. Some were classified as lonely men who were unable to form relationships with women and Varah believed the women who worked the Brenda line could help these men form respectful relationship with women.

This article is really shocking, and explains a lot.

Ofcourseshecan · 27/02/2024 13:55

I support the Samaritans with a monthly direct debit because it's important to me. This ad is really disappointing. It's encouraging young women to put themselves in real physical danger. When I was a teenager I learnt the hard way that being friendly to strange men could lead very quickly to frightening situations.

I agree with the spirit of the campaign, that people should be kinder to each other, but women are all too often harmed by our conditioning to take care of others. The ad should have shown a man making the approach.

MysteriousInspector · 27/02/2024 13:21

It is my actual experience that telling some actual people about the effect on the driver has changed their minds about what they think is the best way to end things. In their misery, all they can see is a quick end for themselves.

Obviously, others know this and choose it anyway. There are some very selfish ways to commit suicide - eg the co-pilot who locked his pilot out of the cabin, and then flew the plane full of passengers into the Alps.

In the actual situation of the ad, I would just start any old random chat with the person on the platform. I wouldn't ask them where to get a coffee.

MarkWithaC · 27/02/2024 10:59

SamuelDJackson · 26/02/2024 13:27

The whole advert is a little better than the short clip - eg shows other people, suggests they could help, shows her approach to the man keeps her at bit of a distance and behind, not beside him.
but the mixed message is there- shes apparently meant to 'trust her instincts' but cool girl alternative talks/mocks her out of them, and the lame coffee line remains open to misinterpretation

Agree with Apollo - much less sexual tension in offering tea

Just watched the full ad. I see what you mean; there is more context, like making eye contact with and getting a nod from the staff member. But I dislike it being played comedically – 'cool' woman rolling her eyes at 'unsure' woman – mocking, as you say.
Also that classic 'shut women up' line, 'You're overthinking it' – which 'unsure' woman actually agrees with🙄
And I still really object to the differences in styling/presentation of the two personas.