UK’s first trans and non-binary domestic violence refuge opens

I am sure no one here would argue that because there are specialist support services for Muslim woman, Muslim women should be excluded from women's spaces in general.
Muslim women aren't women in your world? No surprise there then.
One of the most offensive things you've said in at least the last half hour.

So you'll let female people have female only spaces without moaning at them? As their alternative to mixed sex provision?

Great. Thanks. End of issue.

And no. Muslim women, black women, disabled women, are all women. Males with TQ+ identities are men.

I am sure no one here would argue that because there are specialist support services for Muslim woman, Muslim women should be excluded from women's spaces in general.

Can you clarify what you mean by this @DadJoke ?

Muslim women are women and not excluded from women’s spaces

TW are men and don’t belong in women’s single sex spaces

to equate Muslim women with men is so fucking offensive

But that's what non binary and trans is. Someone who says they are. That's it. That's all. There is no gatekeeping. That's been the whole problem for women's single sex provision.

Everyone here is so positive about it and I wish I could share the enthusiasm but I might be to cynical

Im not sure I’m enthusiastic about it, more that I wish them well and hope this is the start of more to come. A place for trans identifying people which offers them a safe space and which is tailored to their needs seems like a good thing, and hopefully this approach will mean that women’s services can go back to being female only spaces as they were intended to be. Time will tell - it would be a real shame if progress for women wasn’t made here.

Compare and contrast the supportive reaction to this welcome specialised service for trans and non binary people by posters here to the reaction by trans people, TRAs and their allies to the opening of Biera's Place a specialised female only service.

Illuminating.

Well yes. That's kind of the flaw in segregating by gender identity. But if that's what people want then they should have it, whilst leaving single sex facilities to the appropriate sex.

Well currently any male can claim to be a woman and get into a women's facility with women who need to be safe from men.

So as far as I'm concerned, this is an improvement - everyone going there knows it's mixed and chooses to go there, is better than women being told a place is single sex then it isn't, and those women having no where else.

How can anyone prove that they are non-binary? It seems to me that anybody can just declare this and get into the facilities put aside for such people.

Everyone here is so positive about it and I wish I could share the enthusiasm but I might be to cynical.

A lot of efforts for and by transpeople have turned into a shit show quite fast. No interest, bad financial management, abuse,...

I hope it works out for them I do.

But I'll reserve my enthusiasm for in two years if it still exists and there are no issues with young girls pretending to be men that got harassed or assaulted by the men pretending to be women

Sorry IamSarah, I meant back when the world was saner and claiming something was single sex meant it was single sex.

Edit: typo

In a standard women's shelter, for example, no men can get in so it's obvious one trying to is bad news.

Unfortunately this isn't the case for many women's shelters that in reality are mixed sex.

Having a dedicated shelter for trans people takes the pressure off women's charities to accommodate and support trans identified males.

Great news, I'm pleased they have managed to set this up although sorry it's needed.

I am concerned that with only one shelter it's location will quickly become known. And as it is open to more then it will be less obvious if someone is there who should not be/in bad faith. In a standard women's shelter, for example, no men can get in so it's obvious one trying to is bad news. With wider intake I imagine it will be harder to police. I hope I'm wrong.

That’s great news!

Really great news!
and let’s be optimistic that people using that service will be mutually supportive. I’m not looking for any negatives here, I think it’s all good.

I imagine they will separate trans masculine and trans feminine identities which will end up being single sex spaces.

Ironically, trans men have one of the only single sex female spaces in Brighton.

I dont want to derail this thread but there are according to support web sites 7 refuges for men in the UK.

In the early days women working for domestic violence projects were really peed off that they were expected to do the ground work of creating a refuge service for men ie women had set up services for women based on shared experiences of domestic violence, so surely men could do the same. At a later stage somewomen did participate in setting up support services for men because they felt their feminist perspective was important. The irony of course was that people including funders were saying to women you have the expertise, whilst as the same time saying we dont want to fund specialist services for women, isn't it just a housing problem.

You may find Tinsel's post above interesting. There are recorded issues of straight men of all gender identity choices and sexual harassment, exploitation and assault of women or all sexualities and gender identity choices. But it will be interesting to learn how a specialist centre organises to best provide for this group.

I’d be surprised, though maybe I’m naive. People are generally fleeing male violence. Would a man fleeing male violence be likely to attack a woman?

I think it's brilliant for all the reasons said. It gives victims a place they can go and it should reduce the numbers of male people only having access to women's shelters.

Having been unable to get a place in a shelter when I needed it I will be appalled if there is outcry that they still want access to woman's shelters. Safety is safety when you are that desperate.

But on the topic of safety and I feel bad even saying it but I wonder if there will be incidents that show the XX NB people are hurt by the XY TW. I Hope not but I suspect this will be a very challenging shelter to run and keep everyone safe

Why would anyone ever do something so horrible, so threatening, and seek to intimidate people with trauma from having the accessible specialist resource they want and need to be able to recover?

Yes, I know. Canada. But I still struggle to comprehend how anyone could be this vile or dysfunctional.