Spain-woman sentenced to 6 months in prison after making 'transphobic' remarks towards male ex prostitute

What childish jibes?

You're in your 40s. So am I. We are both middle aged. It's just life. As you say, who cares.

Fair play. Can't deny that. But I wouldn't want to be anywhere near the type of people I moved abroad to get away from.

I'm not sure why you keep making all these childish jibes at other women then. I'm sure they care as much about what you think as you do about what they do.

Everyone on mumsnet thinks they are middle aged when they hit 35. It's tragic.

Anyway, who cares. I don't care how others regard me, only that I have the rights and status of a Spanish citizen.

Quite.

Only one person said they would have to hold their noses at 'other Brits'.

No one would deny that sexism still runs through Spanish society, but things are moving in the right direction, and lots of positive things have been happening recently, particularly under the current government.

Unlike the UK, which has gone back 150 years in the last 14.

People opposed to gender self ID said it would boost the Vox vote and usher in a PP/Vox government. In fact the Vox vote plummeted and we held on to our progressive coalition.

Because rejecting gender identity politics came together with other, less palatable things.

Jesus. What an insulting, patronising and misinformed set of generalisations. 'Earthy people.' What does that mean? Have you ever even been here?

You clearly don't read posts properly. I said I've lived there.

I have close family there. I visit several times a year. I speak fluent Spanish. I'm quite knowledgeable about the country, its culture, history and politics. I love the country, but it's pretty sexist. You have also made patronising generalisations on this thread.

Jesus. What an insulting, patronising and misinformed set of generalisations. 'Earthy people.' What does that mean? Have you ever even been here?

Spain is split on these issues, like everywhere is in the current political climate. People opposed to gender self ID said it would boost the Vox vote and usher in a PP/Vox government. In fact the Vox vote plummeted and we held on to our progressive coalition.

There is still sexism in Spanish society of course, but as a woman my legal rights are far better protected here in all sorts of ways.

My question though was not about changing rooms specifically, though a known paedophile in a ladies’ public lavatory in a supermarket with a child is an obvious concern ( it has happened in the U.K.);

or about how a paedophile transwoman can gain the trust of a child to get into ‘her’ car, because the child thinks a woman is safe, (after which the child is kidnapped and sexually abused for days as happened in Scotland)

• it is particularly a concern that a change of identity, name and looks can be used to hide past crimes and aid access to an enhanced opportunity for more criminal activity. So it is pretty obvious that there should be no self ID for criminals.

I wonder if Spain is also doing what we do here and recording Machismo crimes on the women’s crime list?

You get:

New documents in your new identity
New birth certificate lying that you were born female (or male for FTM)
Special DBS process that is questionably not as robust
New NHS number
The ability to get people in authority prosecuted (even jailed) for "outing" you as not a woman

I imagine they regard you, a middle aged British woman, very much the same as they would regard any other middle aged British woman @PP82

In the U.K. you get a completely different identity in every way. It's not just a change of name.

I'm not sure what mechanisms are in place for that situation, but if they aren't sufficient they could certainly be made to be so without changing the law on self id.

And you don't have to change your gender to change your name.

I can assure you Brits Abroad lager lout is very far from the mental image I had.

Hardly anyone in Spain cares about your luxury beliefs and identity politics. They are a pretty earthy people, and certainly aren't confused about what a woman is. As a pp said, it's a sexist society.

While I agree there is no reason for anyone not to immigrate, or get on marvellously with the people in a new country, what I find surprising is that you seem to believe you will have as much in common with Spanish people in general as they would among each other.

Yes, they have great regional and educational variations and one societal group there may not share much in common with another, but still there is likely to be a barrier between you and them unless you have lived there most of your life and are completely fluent in Spanish and very widely read. Even then there will be a trace of ‘other’.

Just as there will most likely be some feelings of distinction and otherness between one region and another, there would be an even greater degree of this between a ‘Spaniard’ ( not Basque) in general and a non Spaniard.

This not to say you might not be welcomed with open arms!

I made no such assumption about the PP. I simply said that I doubted anyone in Spain would care about their one person boycott. I can assure you Brits Abroad lager lout is very far from the mental image I had.

That is an unpleasant thing to call someone, I’ll grant you that but:

Other messages that were found to be criminally transphobic included her stating that “there are only two sexes,”

Stating that there are only two sexes is a biological fact.

I'm very confused as to how it would make the slightest difference whether a convicted paedophile changed their legal gender or not.

Because it's harder to monitor them if they "change sex" and get a completely different identity.

I'm very confused as to how it would make the slightest difference whether a convicted paedophile changed their legal gender or not.

Im just extrapolating from your posts, you know, like you decided @pronounsbundlebundle was some sort of Brits Abroad lager lout, but of course all Spanish people see you as somehow different, apart from the "insular old people" whose village you moved to, of course.

Where did I say that I despised boring middle aged non glittery people?

Or indeed that non glittery people were boring?

Being in a position of trust and authority is not the same as sharing a changing room or toilet. Obviously.