Spain-woman sentenced to 6 months in prison after making 'transphobic' remarks towards male ex prostitute

Oh, I know.

But we'll ignore whether Shane MacGowan's lyrics in that case constitute a hate crime, since misogyny isn't one.

I still want to know about the word 'faggot'.

Billy Bragg, that paragon of the progressive left, was a fan of SMacG - called him "one of the greatest songwriters of my generation".

I don't really think these are comparable cases.

That lyric is usually omitted now and Shane McGowan and Kirsty MacColl have discussed the use of the word in quite a nuanced way, and agreed it should be omitted where it caused offence. I believe Kirsty used alternative lyrics in the end. The word slut is also usually omitted.

Is it though?

What about the bloke a few years ago who made a comment on Twitter that if the airport he was due to fly from wasn’t open tomorrow, as it had been shut for reasons I don’t recall, that he was going to blow it up. The context was clear to most people but it didn’t stop the anti terrorist police from bashing his door down.

In fact most of that song- the woman gets some pretty foul abuse too.

Must admit can’t sing that bit out loud, @Chersfrozenface !

Context matters. The context in this case is clear.

For instance, the word 'faggot'.

And ignoring that in this case it's probably a translation of the original term used.

It's a North American slang word for a gay man, considered more or less unacceptable or, judging by some posts on this thread, a word inciting violence and constituting a hate crime.

Yet everyone seems to praise and admire the song "Fairytale of New York", which is partly in the form of a dialogue where the female character calls the male character a "cheap lousy faggot".

So, vile violence inciting hate crime or courageous boundary-busting punk lyric?

I'm not about to defend the UK justice system. I just said it was technically criminal.

No. What is worrying is that someone can be found guilty by a court for saying that there are only two sexes.
I wouldn’t ever want abuse of any group of people to be acceptable but I equally don’t want to see people imprisoned for wrongthink

You may self define as a lefty if you wish. That is your right.

Oh really. What prosecutions have taken place?

😂

What the fuck are you going on about?

Not everyone has the resilience to cope with daily prejudice, discrimination and harassment, nor should they have to have. And not everyone has access to therapy.

Agree. Provision of therapy is abysmal and nothing short of a national disgrace.

What other forms of prejudice should people 'just be more resilient' about? You sound like a GB News pundit. (I assume, have never watched obviously.)

Nice bit of prejudice from you there. Did you realise? Or was it unconscious bias?

I’m actually a lefty, but don’t let that stop you trotting out that tired old trope that anyone who’s vaguely GC must be a right-wing nutter, and therefore is to be simultaneously feared and dismissed.

Would be covered under malicious communications.

From the most repetitive group of people on the planet.

If the cap fits.

I can't speak for other countries but so far there are no hate crime laws in the UK. An actual crime can be aggravated by hate (unless it's against a woman), like if the word faggot was used while beating someone up

Is anyone rise getting a sense of de ja vue?

"a GB News pundit"...yep...keep going

Exactly. We’re theoretically policed by consent in the UK (ok, this is arguably moot at the moment, but…). People need to be clear on what is and isn’t ok and at the moment it feels there is no consensus on this. Also that changes have been imposed that many don’t agree with or consent to.

Not everyone has the resilience to cope with daily prejudice, discrimination and harassment, nor should they have to have. And not everyone has access to therapy.

What other forms of prejudice should people 'just be more resilient' about? You sound like a GB News pundit. (I assume, have never watched obviously.)

I think it’s actually really hard. Some people’s threatening abusive behaviour doesn’t seem to matter. Other people’s attracts prosecution.

Some people’s ’hate crime’ is another person’s Robust insult, and another’s Literal violence.

Not if it’s directed against biological women, merely for being biological women, it isn’t.