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Spain-woman sentenced to 6 months in prison after making 'transphobic' remarks towards male ex prostitute

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happydappy2 · 21/02/2024 16:48

https://x.com/ReduxxMag/status/1760315313822769281?s=20

She was also fined Eu3850 and disqualified from holding employment in any profession in the fields of teaching or sports for 3 & 1/2 years

https://x.com/ReduxxMag/status/1760315313822769281?s=20

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PP82 · 22/02/2024 16:32

ArabellaScott · 22/02/2024 16:27

I'm angry at the rise of the populist and far right, of which I consider the 'gender critical ' to be a part,]

You are very misinformed.

Nope.

ArabellaScott · 22/02/2024 16:27

I'm angry at the rise of the populist and far right, of which I consider the 'gender critical ' to be a part,]

You are very misinformed.

pickledandpuzzled · 22/02/2024 16:27

NLP may be discredited, but it’s excellent at helping people recognise where their strength is. Don’t let other people’s nasty words drive your life. Work around the obstacles rather than banging your head on them.

ArabellaScott · 22/02/2024 16:26

Coyoacan · 22/02/2024 15:31

I can't speak for other countries but so far there are no hate crime laws in the UK. An actual crime can be aggravated by hate (unless it's against a woman), like if the word faggot was used while beating someone up

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2021/14/contents/enacted

Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act 2021

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2021/14/contents/enacted

pickledandpuzzled · 22/02/2024 16:25

I’m not far right. Dyed in the wool wishy washy liberal, me.

I just happen to know people can’t change sex, like most of the world including people who are also really nasty and bigoted and people who are paragons of virtue.

ATerrorofLeftovers · 22/02/2024 16:24

HeartofSaturdayNight · 22/02/2024 15:51

Couldn't agree more. We have self responsibility and autonomy. Some like to avoid that because its painful as it involves honest self reflection and work.

Those screaming "privilege" seem to have placed, somewhat unwisely, their locus of control entirely outside of themselves. They'd do well to read some Viktor Frankl. Or The Road Less Travelled. And perhaps grow up a bit.

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To place the locus of control outside of yourself is incredibly disempowering. Both texts you mention are incredibly helpful in understanding this.

FlamingoAndJohn · 22/02/2024 16:23

PP82 · 22/02/2024 16:21

You mean the police aren't very bright? Shocker!

Exactly. So what is to stop the police knocking on my door if I state the scientific fact that there are only two sexes? The precedent has been set.

ScrollingLeaves · 22/02/2024 16:22

False teaming.

FlamingoAndJohn · 22/02/2024 16:21

I'm angry at the rise of the populist and far right, of which I consider the 'gender critical ' to be a part

I don’t identify as far right…

PP82 · 22/02/2024 16:21

FlamingoAndJohn · 22/02/2024 16:20

But the context should have been clear. The point I was making is that comments on platforms like Twitter can be taken out of context, even when we think it’s clear.

You mean the police aren't very bright? Shocker!

FlamingoAndJohn · 22/02/2024 16:20

PP82 · 22/02/2024 16:13

Yes, but he wasn't clearly and maliciously abusing anyone.

Also, I frequently joke about committing terrorist acts, as I come from a political tradition with a proud history of carrying them out. I don't make such jokes on social media, as I'm not a total idiot.

But the context should have been clear. The point I was making is that comments on platforms like Twitter can be taken out of context, even when we think it’s clear.

PP82 · 22/02/2024 16:19

HeartofSaturdayNight · 22/02/2024 16:13

Dear @PP82

You appear very angry. Maybe get outside or step away from the screen because you are so busy accusing others of terrible things, you don't appear to realise how dehumanising you're being. Dehumanising and, frankly, a bit silly - Laurence Fox? If you say so.

However, you don't know my story, or anyone else's on this thread, so maybe stop acting like you're the only person to have faced bigotry and injustices. Sadly, you are not alone.

Let me be clear here: disagreement is not hate. And, if you continue to frame people so unfavourably, I really fear for your mental health. Go well, I won't be responding to you again unless you can drop the disrespectful discourse.

I've faced some bigotry and injustice, but not an overwhelming amount. I'm angry at the rise of the populist and far right, of which I consider the 'gender critical ' to be a part, and on behalf of people who have it much worse than me. It's not personal. I have a lovely life and am generally very happy. But I've always fought bigotry and prejudice and I'm not going to stop now. You are the ones who are always aggrieved and feel perpetually persecuted.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/02/2024 16:14

And ignoring that in this case it's probably a translation of the original term used

It is. The actual term was "maricón".

dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/spanish-english/maricon

PP82 · 22/02/2024 16:13

ApocalipstickNow · 22/02/2024 16:08

It was quite the ordeal for the guy.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19009344.amp

Yes, but he wasn't clearly and maliciously abusing anyone.

Also, I frequently joke about committing terrorist acts, as I come from a political tradition with a proud history of carrying them out. I don't make such jokes on social media, as I'm not a total idiot.

HeartofSaturdayNight · 22/02/2024 16:13

Dear @PP82

You appear very angry. Maybe get outside or step away from the screen because you are so busy accusing others of terrible things, you don't appear to realise how dehumanising you're being. Dehumanising and, frankly, a bit silly - Laurence Fox? If you say so.

However, you don't know my story, or anyone else's on this thread, so maybe stop acting like you're the only person to have faced bigotry and injustices. Sadly, you are not alone.

Let me be clear here: disagreement is not hate. And, if you continue to frame people so unfavourably, I really fear for your mental health. Go well, I won't be responding to you again unless you can drop the disrespectful discourse.

LentilFaculties · 22/02/2024 16:12

MorningSunshineSparkles · 22/02/2024 15:04

The comments she made were horrible, and tbh I would consider someone calling another person “a faggot with tits” as a hate crime. You can state biological facts that there are only two sexes but the kind of hate that it takes to say something like she did about another person does deserve a punishment, even if it’s only a suspended sentence and fine.

Horrible, horrible thing to say.

Still shouldn't be in prison for it (I don't know if ther was more, have read most but not all thread). Prison should simply be for people (usually men) who are violent and those people should be in there a lot longer.

And, fuck, I have been called much worse! For my (incorrectly) perceived sexiality, for my (incorrectly) perceived race, for being on a bicycle, for pushing a pram. Always by a man, mind you and probably all because I'm a woman. If they made misogyny a hate crime I'm not sure how they'd cope with the influx of reports. Although I guess you'd still have to get the police to care, so maybe not.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/02/2024 16:09

I still want to know about the word 'faggot'.

It's the translator's interpretation for a Spanish slur referring to a gay man.

ApocalipstickNow · 22/02/2024 16:08

FlamingoAndJohn · 22/02/2024 15:42

Is it though?

What about the bloke a few years ago who made a comment on Twitter that if the airport he was due to fly from wasn’t open tomorrow, as it had been shut for reasons I don’t recall, that he was going to blow it up. The context was clear to most people but it didn’t stop the anti terrorist police from bashing his door down.

It was quite the ordeal for the guy.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19009344.amp

Twitter bomb joke man wins case - BBC News

A man found guilty of sending a tweet threatening to blow up an airport wins his challenge against conviction.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19009344.amp

PP82 · 22/02/2024 16:04

You bang on about empathy yet think that victims of hate crimes should just toughen up. Astonishing.

Peskysquirrel · 22/02/2024 16:00

Ah, of course, Laurence Fox ...
So let me recap - that's the far right, GB News pundit and Laurence Fox so far

PP82 · 22/02/2024 15:59

Those screaming "privilege" seem to have placed, somewhat unwisely, their locus of control entirely outside of themselves.

You're the ones always banging on about 'TRAs' being privileged.

PP82 · 22/02/2024 15:56

HeartofSaturdayNight · 22/02/2024 15:51

Couldn't agree more. We have self responsibility and autonomy. Some like to avoid that because its painful as it involves honest self reflection and work.

Those screaming "privilege" seem to have placed, somewhat unwisely, their locus of control entirely outside of themselves. They'd do well to read some Viktor Frankl. Or The Road Less Travelled. And perhaps grow up a bit.

Operation Let Them Speak goes both ways, it seems.

"Been a victim of racist harassment? Stop whining, grow up and be more resilient!'

Are you Laurence Fox?

Chersfrozenface · 22/02/2024 15:54

PP82 · 22/02/2024 15:44

That lyric is usually omitted now and Shane McGowan and Kirsty MacColl have discussed the use of the word in quite a nuanced way, and agreed it should be omitted where it caused offence. I believe Kirsty used alternative lyrics in the end. The word slut is also usually omitted.

Well, Glen Hansard and Lisa O'Neill sang the full original lyrics at Shane MacGowan's funeral (in a church).

PP82 · 22/02/2024 15:53

Chersfrozenface · 22/02/2024 15:48

Oh, I know.

But we'll ignore whether Shane MacGowan's lyrics in that case constitute a hate crime, since misogyny isn't one.

I still want to know about the word 'faggot'.

Billy Bragg, that paragon of the progressive left, was a fan of SMacG - called him "one of the greatest songwriters of my generation".

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/fairytale-ending-shane-macgowan-explains-faggot-reference-in-christmas-song-1.3723622

Fairytale ending: Shane MacGowan explains ‘faggot’ reference in Christmas song

Singer addresses controversy over reference in Pogues Christmas song

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/fairytale-ending-shane-macgowan-explains-faggot-reference-in-christmas-song-1.3723622

HeartofSaturdayNight · 22/02/2024 15:51

ATerrorofLeftovers · 22/02/2024 15:16

A healthy level of self -respect and the ability to self-validate is really important. It has to be balanced with being able to take on feedback about our actions (aka a conscience), but if we’re so fragile we can’t maintain our sense of ourself in the face of disagreement, criticism or name-calling, that is a problem in us, and it’s on us to solve it. Get therapy to develop a stronger sense of self and self-esteem and compassion. It’s doable.

Couldn't agree more. We have self responsibility and autonomy. Some like to avoid that because its painful as it involves honest self reflection and work.

Those screaming "privilege" seem to have placed, somewhat unwisely, their locus of control entirely outside of themselves. They'd do well to read some Viktor Frankl. Or The Road Less Travelled. And perhaps grow up a bit.

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