Spain-woman sentenced to 6 months in prison after making 'transphobic' remarks towards male ex prostitute

I'm not an expat, I'm an immigrant. We've been on the receiving end of a little xenophobia from a handful of very insular old people. However we don't live, and have never lived, anywhere near the 'expat' communities, and don't behave or live like your typical Brit in Spain. So we've been generally very warmly welcomed.

They probably think much the same about you, PP82, being a British expat in Spain as you are.

I'm sure the Spanish will be devastated not to have one more English tourist this summer. English tourists are their favourite, dontcha know?

I was considering spending my holiday money going to Spain. Now I'm not, it'll get spent elsewhere.

What with this, however confused, and the Spanish dude Mr Menno drew my intention to who is now legally a woman despite changing nothing whatsoever about himself. Highlighting the very misogynistic erasure of women via self-ID. Maybe the whole male population of Spain should do the same? How on earth would babies then get made?

I don't want to accidentally say up is in fact up in Spain and get arrested for not saying up is down, after all.

4 years ago someone made some factual biological statements about a trans identifying man.

That person was taken to court two years later and received a suspended sentence and reeducation.

Is that essentially correct?

If so, it’s shocking that statements of truth attract punishment and reeducation.

People are always credulous when it comes to implausible stories which support their prejudices.

Why are you denying that this took place? It was reported in the Spanish press.

Apart from thinking it was about an actual woman being prosecuted, which they've now corrected and deleted their original tweet, what have Reduxx got wrong?

The comments were made in 2020. The court case was 2022.

So?

the Rev one says 2020

so yet another inconsistency

It's not from 4 years ago according to a Spanish language report I'm reading now.

Tras haberse practicado las diligencias en la fase de instrucción, el magistrado, en un auto con fecha 30 de marzo de 2022

Less than 2 years ago.

People are always credulous when it comes to implausible stories which support their prejudices.

because i very much doubt that

a) this even happened

a few obscure media outlets with their own agendas have fallen for a supposed story from 4 years ago. If wager it’s all nonsense 🤷‍♀️

Ummm...I don't think you understand Spain very well. Or Catholicism. Or Francoism.

LOL. What great insight is she missing about Catholicism and Francoism? I've lived in Spain in the past. What are you talking about? You're just a British ex pat, according to your other posts.

any decent journalist would have surely done a tiny bit of digging beyond the “officials” version of events

So surely you can show some examples of such reporting from decent journalists on this case? Right?

Or is it in fact only Reduxx who is actually doing the digging here?

I also wonder if this case gives an insight into another reason 3rd spaces are rejected by trans activists. Whilst I know both individuals are male, I can quite understand why there might be tensions between those who've had the penis op and those who have no intention. Especially as the latter type are often seen actually drawing attention to their dicks on social media.

I seem to remember that they both have slurs for each other.

Ummm...I don't think you understand Spain very well. Or Catholicism. Or Francoism.

@NecessaryScene

The error here was due to the lies of the officials

this happened 4 YEARS AGO

any decent journalist would have surely done a tiny bit of digging beyond the “officials” version of events 😂

Yes.... So this makes me wonder if it's now even possible for Spanish media outlets to report this case without committing a crime themselves?

I also wonder if this case gives an insight into another reason 3rd spaces are rejected by trans activists. Whilst I know both individuals are male, I can quite understand why there might be tensions between those who've had the penis op and those who have no intention. Especially as the latter type are often seen actually drawing attention to their dicks on social media.

Very proud to live in a country where transphobic hate crimes are punished, rather than encouraged, by the state.

would indicate that these reports are maybe… well let’s just say not an
accurate reflection of the case

What are you trying to insinuate?

The error here was due to the lies of the officials. That reflects badly on them, and it is much of the point of the story - official lies.

We're trying our best to discover the truth here, with the establishment lying all the way down. It's not Reduxx doing the lying.

If you think there are more lies going on, by Reduxx, or Spain, or anyone else then maybe try to expose them? Rather than just mutter darkly about "accuracy"? Provide some information of your own! Uncover the truth!

Otherwise all you're basically saying "we shouldn't believe stories about people lying because people lie." Which isn't terribly productive.

And, indeed, that is often part of the point of this sort of official lying - to induce this sort of passiveness so that you give up on finding out the truth. It seems to have worked on you.

no

i’m saying that this latest bit of info release (yesterday and the case was 4 years ago!)

would indicate that these reports are maybe… well let’s just say not an
accurate reflection of the case

Thankfully he didn't go to jail, the sentence was suspended. But the principle is important. He used a (very common) homophobic slur but I'd be surprised if the prisons are full of other men who used it about gay men without any trans element.

In terms of the case, I wish there was more reliable detail, but when journalists lie about sex, how can you possibly believe anything else they say?

If the man jailed was jailed for stating as basic a fact as the reality of binary sex in humans then Spain is in big, big trouble. But at this point I feel I just don't know - hopefully some more reliable and honest journalists will do some digging.

Hard agree with this. It's pissing it down here, cold and I have no cake.

Literal violence!