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Spain-woman sentenced to 6 months in prison after making 'transphobic' remarks towards male ex prostitute

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happydappy2 · 21/02/2024 16:48

https://x.com/ReduxxMag/status/1760315313822769281?s=20

She was also fined Eu3850 and disqualified from holding employment in any profession in the fields of teaching or sports for 3 & 1/2 years

https://x.com/ReduxxMag/status/1760315313822769281?s=20

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catduckgoose · 05/03/2024 21:41

@anothernamitynamenamechange I appreciate you updating the thread on the Reduxx article being fixed! It was quite jarring reading the original piece knowing what we know now.

anothernamitynamenamechange · 05/03/2024 20:18

Ahhhh, I somehow missed the updates other people had already made. Ignore everything I posted

anothernamitynamenamechange · 05/03/2024 20:12

"I might disagree but will defend their right to say it". Even if from the outside...

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anothernamitynamenamechange · 05/03/2024 20:10

Sooo... It turns out there was a twist to the original reported story of a woman being accused of transphobia...

It turns out both the "women" involved were trans. The individual being sent down sees themselves as a proper woman, and the other individual as not hence the "you are not a proper woman like me" comment.

For what its worth, while I don't agree with the accused's logic, I do still think it is outrageous that they faced criminal charges for speaking what they saw as the truth. And it still has horrible wider free speech implications.

But good god what a tangled web.

SPAIN: Trans-Identified Male Sentenced To Six Months In Prison After Making "Transphobic" Comments Towards Another Trans-Identified Male For Not Having Genital Surgery - Reduxx

SPAIN: Trans-Identified Male Sentenced To Six Months In Prison After Making "Transphobic" Comments Towards Another Trans-Identified Male For Not Having Genital Surgery - Reduxx

EDITOR’S NOTE: A previous version of this article incorrectly referred to one of the parties in this case as a “woman.” This article has been amended after new, previously-unavailable information was released clarifying that both parties in the case ar...

https://reduxx.info/spain-man-sentenced-to-six-months-in-prison-after-making-transphobic-comments-towards-male-ex-prostitute/

ScrollingLeaves · 22/02/2024 19:45

I am very sorry for what has happened to you PP82 🇪🇸💐

happydappy2 · 22/02/2024 19:38

its extraordinary how much one poster has dominated this thread....literally for 24 hours

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HeartofSaturdayNight · 22/02/2024 19:25

PP82 · 22/02/2024 18:13

There's a lot to respond to there.

I have experienced a lot of sexual violence. I don't have the same trauma response as you. I'm fine in the presence of men who are unknown to me. I do have a trauma response to banging on a door. I don't expect no one to ever bang on a door. Trauma responses need medical intervention, not society to be organised around them.

If my child was trans I would support them 100% in their medical transition, if that's what they chose.

If any of my rapists asked me to refer to them as a woman, I wouldn't give a shit. Fuckers raped me. Their gender is irrelevant. I have also been sexually exploited by women. It was no better. I was raped by men because I was vulnerable. In almost all cases I could probably have fought them off had I mentally been able to summon the resources. Last time I was a victim of sexual violence (kidnap and attempted rape) I'd had enough and I did fight and I did get away. Physical strength is only part of the picture. Having a penis is only part of the picture. Sexual violence is a product of social relationships, not biology.

You've been through all this and still don't understand why sex matters.

I really hope you get the help you need. You sound very troubled.

PP82 · 22/02/2024 18:53

It isn't actually true that sex plays no role. Pregnancy and IVF related medical issues and the time off needed due to them is part of the case, and obviously were never going to be an issue for him. Nevertheless we are still nervous about when he does have to tell his employers.

PP82 · 22/02/2024 18:40

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/02/2024 18:37

Which indirectly discriminates more against women. Most men just have sex or wank into a cup to conceive a baby. It's all much more invasive for women, from conception to birth, and beyond.

Sure but he has to be there at the same time as me to wank into the cup, and will take exactly the same amount of time off for paternity leave, so from a work point of view it's exactly the same. Only difference is he won't get the extra hours for breastfeeding.

PP82 · 22/02/2024 18:37

TheMarzipanDildo · 22/02/2024 18:32

If my sexual abuser announced that I was to refer to them as ‘she’ from then on, I would assume that it was a fucked up bit of power play. And I would tell them to fuck off. I’m guessing you would think that was rude?

I mean they may actually be trans, or it may be a power play, but no one is obliged to be polite to someone who has sexually abused them. If you punched them repeatedly it would be justified, but not legal.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/02/2024 18:37

Which indirectly discriminates more against women. Most men just have sex or wank into a cup to conceive a baby. It's all much more invasive for women, from conception to birth, and beyond.

PP82 · 22/02/2024 18:34

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/02/2024 18:31

I hope you win, for essentially being oppressed on the grounds of your sex.

I mean, it is a sex discrimination case. But I didn't choose the language. Some thing could have happened if I wasn't a woman. My husband will need the same amount of time off as me, both for the treatment and in the case that it is successful and we have a baby. It is actually discrimination on the basis of trying to become a parent.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/02/2024 18:33

It's all power play, IMO.

TheMarzipanDildo · 22/02/2024 18:32

PP82 · 22/02/2024 18:24

Using preferred pronouns isn't gaslighting. Compelled speech is such a bullshit concept too. Every time you are expected to be polite to someone you don't like at work, do you refuse, call them an arsehole and then cry 'compelled speech!' if reprimanded?

If my sexual abuser announced that I was to refer to them as ‘she’ from then on, I would assume that it was a fucked up bit of power play. And I would tell them to fuck off. I’m guessing you would think that was rude?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/02/2024 18:31

I hope you win, for essentially being oppressed on the grounds of your sex.

PP82 · 22/02/2024 18:30

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/02/2024 18:23

I've just lost my job due to needing time off for IVF.

You've lost your job for being a woman and wanting to do a thing that women do. That's terrible. And in Spain which I thought was much more progressive than the U.K.

I worked for two women, neither of whom are Spanish. But Spanish labour law is allowing me redress. Much more accessible, affordable redress with much higher compensation than would be the case in the UK.

My husband has so far kept quiet about all this with his employers, but won't be able to for much longer. As paternity leave rights are the same as maternity leave rights here, we fear he may have similar problems. But if he does, he too will have legal redress.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/02/2024 18:26

We're not talking about "someone at work". We're talking about having to call a man who forced his penis on me "she" and a "woman". It might not matter to you, it does to others.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/02/2024 18:25

Using preferred pronouns isn't gaslighting.

Your personal, genderist opinion is not the arbiter of what is and isn't.

PP82 · 22/02/2024 18:24

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/02/2024 18:19

If any of my rapists asked me to refer to them as a woman, I wouldn't give a shit.

That isn't the case for other women. At least have the humility to recognise that. Gaslighting can feel awful and coercive.

Using preferred pronouns isn't gaslighting. Compelled speech is such a bullshit concept too. Every time you are expected to be polite to someone you don't like at work, do you refuse, call them an arsehole and then cry 'compelled speech!' if reprimanded?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/02/2024 18:23

I've just lost my job due to needing time off for IVF.

You've lost your job for being a woman and wanting to do a thing that women do. That's terrible. And in Spain which I thought was much more progressive than the U.K.

TheMarzipanDildo · 22/02/2024 18:23

PP82 · 22/02/2024 18:19

No. But those women should have the right to an education, full autonomy, not to be mutilated and to choose their gender identity. It's not an either/or situation.

Well obviously. But the point being made there is that women are oppressed on the basis of their sex, not their gender identity.

PP82 · 22/02/2024 18:19

Totallymessed · 22/02/2024 18:14

I think the opposite, that you are extraordinarily privileged if you live in a place where you can choose a "gender identity". Do women in Afghanistan get to say that they are actually male and suddenly become able to go to school or leave the house unaccompanied by a man? Does a girl in Somalia get to identify out of being subjected to FGM?

No. But those women should have the right to an education, full autonomy, not to be mutilated and to choose their gender identity. It's not an either/or situation.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/02/2024 18:19

If any of my rapists asked me to refer to them as a woman, I wouldn't give a shit.

That isn't the case for other women. At least have the humility to recognise that. Gaslighting can feel awful and coercive.

Totallymessed · 22/02/2024 18:18

@PP82 I find your remarks minimizing a woman having to refer to her rapist in court as "he" disgusting tbh. As someone who thinks they are very empathetic, your complete lack of empathy for rape victims tells its own story I'm afraid.

PP82 · 22/02/2024 18:17

LentilFaculties · 22/02/2024 18:03

Thinking "everyone has a gender identity" is a supremely privileged position!

Any identity at all I thought I had was ripped away from me after the birth of my first child. Not just from the sheer physicality of it, but also maternity discrimination at work. Did the world care how I felt about it all? Did it fuck.

And I certainly don't have "gender identity" any more than I believe in the existence of god. To assume that I identify with the list of regressive stereotypes we're told make us, and some men, women??!! Well that's offensive as well as ignorant. Shiiit maybe I'm revising my thoughts on people going to prison for saying bad words....

I've just lost my job due to needing time off for IVF. I'm going to court for compensation. If I win I will be compensated (tens of thousands) for moral and psychological damage. The system in Spain does compensate you for how you feel.