Do you count GC feminists as LGBT?

She's not lying here though, he is. Engagement isn't just meeting. The weird "evidence" you are claiming is clearly part of a larger document.

As @NoBinturongsHereMate told you right at the start of this silly thread.

The FoI request says 'engaged with', the posted response clearly says both 'annex' (so this is definitely not the whole response, and there's no way to tell whether it's even the whole annex) and 'meetings'. There are many forms of engagement that are not meetings.

I know I can be a bit slow at understanding on this board so I usually just read but this thread is making my head hurt. I have no understanding of what the OP is trying to convey or what point they are arguing, it's almost as though they are angrily punching at the air. Very confusing tbh.

Do you count GC feminists (I should have said feminist groups probably) as LGBT?
I think the whole point of being GC is that the T has nothing to do with the LGB so your sentence, and on that basis your whole thread, does not make any sense at all.

*goes back to sitting in the corner

Bradshaw is a misogynistic prick.

She's engaged with any organisation that she's written back to or answered a social media post from. There are probably quite a few included.

LGBT doesn’t all have to be in one org for that comment to be accurate.

and ‘engaged with’ isn’t the same thing as ‘met with’.

And ‘engaging with’ doesn’t mean ‘agreeing with’.

This.

No. She specifically referred to engagement 'with numerous LGBT groups'.

But that seems to be a lie.

I bet the W&E office is constantly engaging with the emails of very cross discredited LGBT orgs 😂

LGBT doesn’t all have to be in one org for that comment to be accurate.

and ‘engaged with’ isn’t the same thing as ‘met with’.

And ‘engaging with’ doesn’t mean ‘agreeing with’.

The point here is that Badenoch said, on the floor of the House, that she had engaged extensively with LGBT organisations.

If she hasn't, however you justify it, that is just a flat out lie.

Lying to the House of Commons should have consequences for Ministers.

LGB

not

LGBT.

Even by that (nonsense) definition, Transgender Trend isn't an LGBT organisation - being an organisation for 'parents and professionals' is no more an LGBT organisation than a group concerned parents against homosexuality would be.

I wonder if Ben Bradshaw has ever met with a young lesbian or gay man who has been subjected to unnecessary, irreversible medical trauma in the name of gender identity ideology?

Kemi met with Keira Bell

https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2023/dec/06/gender-affirming-care-for-children-form-of-conversion-therapy-says-badenoch

Why any minister would meet with Stonewall, Mermaids, Peter Tatchell et all when their past ‘advice’ has led to a big ol mess that is taking hundreds of hours of court time to even begin to unravel is beyond me.

I have done. I've not seen any indication of Kemi Badenoch meeting with any LGBT organisations while she has headed up the GEO.

By all means point me to the posts if I've missed them.

Neither of which are LGBT organisations by any definition.

Transgender Trend is literally focused on gender questioning children. So that's not true. Just because you don't approve, doesn't mean it isn't an "LGBT organisation by any definition".

RTFT @PlanetJanette

(is anyone else having Deja Vu about Adam’s Miriam Cates thread a little while back?)

But since you seem to know she has met with 'smaller organisations' perhaps you can tell us which ones?

Are you too lazy to read the thread?

Which smaller organisations?

I mean the Government had a pretty clear opportunity to explain whether and why Bradshaw was wrong yesterday.

The context here is we also know that Badenoch has recent form for lying (see her claim that negotiations are ongoing with Canada which the Canadian High Commission felt the need to confirm was not the case). So I'm not sure, between her and Ben Bradshaw that it is Bradshaw who is lying (not least because if he were it would be incredibly easy to prove he was lying).

So from what Bradshaw has said, there was an FOI asking which LGBT organisations Badenoch has met while Minister for Women and Equalities, and the 'answer' was Sex Matters and TransgenderTrend. Neither of which are LGBT organisations by any definition.

But since you seem to know she has met with 'smaller organisations' perhaps you can tell us which ones?

This isn't the first time he's been less than honest, either.

I suspect he’s been fed an untruth by his chums at the big Progress Flag orgs/Pink News and just has repeated that untruth rather than consciously lied in parliament.

Kemi herself has not met with ‘the largest LGBT’ charities and orgs but she and her office have met with smaller orgs and other staff of the office have met with Stonewall.

Also, ‘engaged with’ does not mean ‘met’.

He’s going to feel like a bit of a dick when he realises he’s stood up in the commons and presented partial information as if it were complete information and everyone can see his slip on show.

Exactly. What a silly arse.

I suspect he’s been fed an untruth by his chums at the big Progress Flag orgs/Pink News and just has repeated that untruth rather than consciously lied in parliament.

Kemi herself has not met with ‘the largest LGBT’ charities and orgs but she and her office have met with smaller orgs and other staff of the office have met with Stonewall.

Also, ‘engaged with’ does not mean ‘met’.

He’s going to feel like a bit of a dick when he realises he’s stood up in the commons and presented partial information as if it were complete information and everyone can see his slip on show.

So bored of this kind of politics.

He has been slithery and employed sophistry. Of course he’s brave enough.

It will have done the job of casting some doubt on KB who has shown real bravery and backed- up knowledge on behalf of women and children. She has started to be a worrying problem for TRAs.

That’s the main point of what he did.

Ben Bradshaw is the sort of gay man for whom women and their interests are irrelevant.

Kemi isn't operating from any kind of ignorant, ideological viewpoint.

She has drilled down into every aspect of this trans ideology, and she's got the facts. All the bloody facts.

She knows about the children, the conversion therapy, the targeting of lesbians, she knows about places like the girl guides, girls' spaces, toilets, and the indoctrination of schools.

One's really on a hiding to nothing to try and catch her out, because, she's right.

And when you're right, there is no catching you out. People have to go for ad homonims, or masterclasses in obvious nitpicking or hair splitting.

Transactactivism will hasten the end of itself. I guarantee it.