Do you count GC feminists as LGBT?

Also in general your posting would have made more sense in the past had you clarified you were a radical feminist like firestone / purdy rather than greer, because some extreme radical feminist arguments do overlap with tra positions.

❤️ for my favourote saying

The glaring issue here is your posting history though. I see you've finally accepted you do indeed hold some gc views. Well done.

But there isn't a 1:1 match of LGB to T either so they shouldn't be tied.

If ever I saw evidence of someone proving they are a disengenous poster who comments in bad faith, saying this really proves it.

Can you explain a) how force teaming by TRAs by saying LGBT when they mean the T is ok b) how Stonewall represents the LGB in anyway when they redefined homosexuality to be along the lines of gender not sex when this is regarded as institutionally homophobic according to many prior and preexisting definitions (see wiki for more info).

And how it's much more important to demonstrate that Kemi Badenoch lied on a FOI request to be able to say 'Gotcha' to MN.

Bad faith isn't hard to spot but this post is a clear example which puts it in neon lights.

I can't stand Badenoch and nothing would posses me to vote tory. My comment had nothing to do with defending her.

I don't even count lesbians as LGBT. LGBT is a political movement and social clique and whilst I sympathise with people who still think it's about them I don't believe it to be so. And frankly Lesbians and Gay men were always queer bedfellows without much in common beyond a temporary alliance of convenience (which arguably may have done more harm than good as despite the superficiality of terminology don't really have that much in common).

Frankly the current LGBT term and movement is more of a hindrance to gay and lesbian acceptance than it is a flag to rally around.

Because it’s not a 1:1 match of LGB to GC so they are not tied.

The OP's words were:
".. I'm complaining she's tried to shoehorn GC feminists into LGB because I'm fed up with the "feminists are all lesbians" trope".

Make of that what you will. 😑

Why wouldn't the LGB have anything to do with being GC?
The T group seem to think that the L should want to sleep with men and the T want to turn a sexual orientation into a genital preference.

If you think there are no lesbian or bi women in GC groups you clearly know fuck all about either feminist or lesbian history (or the weaving and intertwining between the two)

Thanks for this , I always wondered where the term sealioning came from. It's such a good metaphor.

I forgot to say these groups represent gay interests without being captured by the T.

AdamRyan · Today 19:48

“If Badenoch had met any gay campaign groups (not trans ones) she would have said. It would have shown.
She didn't. And in fact seems to be taking a particular line like this board, which is there are no groups representing gay interests and they are all captured by the T.”

Everyone on this board knows about the LGB alliance and some will know if the Gay Men’s Network ( who has a brilliant and eloquent spokesman). Then there are psychologists who know the links between gender dysphoria and being gay/ or homophobic attitudes to gender non-conforming children. These groups represent gay interests.

She said she had ‘engaged’ with them, not met them, which could be true.

They may have been gay people or trans people. The term LGBT is not clear.

What is unlikely to be true is that she met with two ‘anti trans’ groups rather than with two groups seeking to protect women and children’s rights and well being.

You're a genius Datun!
Just imagine if she (or anyone in government) adds up the total for all the conferences, the meetings, the diversity champions schemes, the allies, the funded resources, the civil service time devoted to lobby groups, the bloody flags and redresses the balance to include women 😱

Sex matters, TT, FPFW, WPUK, SSA & others will get government funding to the tune of millions of £££ with over a decade worth of meetings, awards, peerages, flags, days of remembrance, lanyards and all the rest. And nobody will be able to moan about a couple of meetings as they'll practically live alongside the government. Women can put our purses away as we finally get a share of the attentions and power that's been given to all the queer theory groups.

Frankly, I think it would be excellent.

But you know what, you can always write to your MP.

@AdamRyan

I think its a pretty fucking big deal she said something untrue in a debate. And I think its a pretty fucking big deal she's not consulting wider as minister of women and Equalities.

Please don't beat about the bush. What you actually mean is "the Tories are bad people and you must not vote for them."

You may believe in women's rights and you may be gender critical but those views are secondary to your anti-Tory agenda.