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Why are separate spaces for trans people unacceptable (to trans people)?

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Superlambaanana · 20/02/2024 22:43

There's a thread on AIBU about people's network's views on the trans debate and a poster suggested trans people ought to campaign for separate spaces - trans toilets, trans sporting events etc.

Is anyone campaigning for this? And if not why not? I'm not clued into the detail of the debate and am genuinely interested. Is it just impractical (cost, insufficient numbers for competitive sport) or is it ideologically unacceptable?

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Boiledbeetle · 27/02/2024 22:20

TWETMIRF · 27/02/2024 22:17

Like this?

I could live with that! As it is all I have to keep me happy is my Tunnocks

Why are separate spaces for trans people unacceptable (to trans people)?
TWETMIRF · 27/02/2024 22:17

Like this?

Tractor GIF by The Bachelorette
TWETMIRF · 27/02/2024 22:17

I thought you liked them dirty, that's why you are such a big fan of tractors.

Boiledbeetle · 27/02/2024 22:15

TWETMIRF · 27/02/2024 21:54

I will PM you

How many times! Enough with the dirty photos!

The Skoda was filthy, but that BMW God! Did you even look at the state of that undercarriage before you sent me that photo????

TWETMIRF · 27/02/2024 21:54

I will PM you

Boiledbeetle · 27/02/2024 21:49

TWETMIRF · 27/02/2024 21:36

I apologise to all the tractors that have been harmed by my post. Thank you for pointing out my error, I have educated myself and will be donating all my worldly goods to whichever tractor charity is deemed the most suitable. I will ensure I think of tractors first in everything I do for the rest of my life and will harass and threaten anyone who does not do the same.

Hastily sets up the Boiledbeetle Home for Rusty Tractors charity.

Holds hands out for donations and copy of @TWETMIRF paperwork

TWETMIRF · 27/02/2024 21:36

Boiledbeetle · 27/02/2024 19:47

Won't someone think of the tractors!

I apologise to all the tractors that have been harmed by my post. Thank you for pointing out my error, I have educated myself and will be donating all my worldly goods to whichever tractor charity is deemed the most suitable. I will ensure I think of tractors first in everything I do for the rest of my life and will harass and threaten anyone who does not do the same.

caringcarer · 27/02/2024 20:32

Thelnebriati · 20/02/2024 22:50

Third/open events in sports are fair for women, they have been tried;

''Swimming World Cup category for transgender athletes cancelled after no entries received''
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/oct/03/swimming-world-cup-category-for-transgender-athletes-cancelled-after-no-entries-received

I thought of this too but didn't have a link. I remembered reading it at the time. Basically trans women can't all win if they race each other. Only one can be the winner. When they compete in female races they almost all always win.

Boiledbeetle · 27/02/2024 19:47

TWETMIRF · 27/02/2024 09:18

Change trans women to any other section of women

Ford fiestas, VW polos, Skoda Octavias, BMW 1 series are all welcome in my car repair business. Intercity 125s are not as they are trains. This is not bigotry, trains are not cars, even though they can transport you from place to place and have a engine.

Women come in all different varieties like cars but have 1 thing in common, being female. No matter how much transwomen want to be women, they never can be as they are male. Trains are trains, that's not a bad thing. Decorate the train as much as you like, stick a VW badge on the front if you like but it remains a train, just like transwomen remain men no matter how they dress. Complaining that the train can't travel along a road doesn't mean that tracks should be installed on every road to allow them to be with the cars.

Won't someone think of the tractors!

Mintyfreshtulips · 27/02/2024 19:37

OnceinaMinion · 27/02/2024 19:36

I was sat in an art gallery cafe with DD when a transwoman was in there, tiny skirt, plastic wig. Trotted up and down this incredibly quiet space having a very loud phone conversation and waving his hands about. DD was like ‘ is she mental?’
When we left they were sat on the steps with their legs wide open, again shouting on the phone.
I don’t think he was getting the attention he was after.

I didn’t know an art gallery cafe was a sex protected space

OnceinaMinion · 27/02/2024 19:36

I was sat in an art gallery cafe with DD when a transwoman was in there, tiny skirt, plastic wig. Trotted up and down this incredibly quiet space having a very loud phone conversation and waving his hands about. DD was like ‘ is she mental?’
When we left they were sat on the steps with their legs wide open, again shouting on the phone.
I don’t think he was getting the attention he was after.

Fimofriend · 27/02/2024 19:25

@OnceinaMinion And some transwomen get off on interacting with women in general public spaces which is why I most definitely want to keep them out of womens' spaces. If they are so brazen as to engage someone in their fetish in a public place then I don't want to be behind closed doors with one of them.

I was once approached by a trans woman who worked in a supermarket. The transwoman wanted to tell me about something they offered. When I politely declined and we exchanged a few words I could tell our interaction caused the transwoman to become aroused.

I didn't shop there for two months. My husband had to go alone. He never saw the transwoman again and that is the only reason why I started shopping there again. It was obvious that I had been a prop in the transwoman's kink without my consent. ( and no, I didn't bloody imagine the transwoman's reaction. My husband noticed too. And it is an effing scandal that it usually takes me adding that detail for other women to believe me)

BreatheAndFocus · 27/02/2024 12:59

Love it @TWETMIRF !

TWETMIRF · 27/02/2024 09:18

Change trans women to any other section of women

Ford fiestas, VW polos, Skoda Octavias, BMW 1 series are all welcome in my car repair business. Intercity 125s are not as they are trains. This is not bigotry, trains are not cars, even though they can transport you from place to place and have a engine.

Women come in all different varieties like cars but have 1 thing in common, being female. No matter how much transwomen want to be women, they never can be as they are male. Trains are trains, that's not a bad thing. Decorate the train as much as you like, stick a VW badge on the front if you like but it remains a train, just like transwomen remain men no matter how they dress. Complaining that the train can't travel along a road doesn't mean that tracks should be installed on every road to allow them to be with the cars.

NoWordForFluffy · 27/02/2024 07:36

Mintyfreshtulips · 27/02/2024 06:12

Sure that’s super helpful and relevant - well done

It's very relevant indeed, though I appreciate perception of helpfulness is subjective.

borntobequiet · 27/02/2024 06:56

Pleased to be of help.

Mintyfreshtulips · 27/02/2024 06:12

borntobequiet · 26/02/2024 22:13

You said “change trans women (sic) to any other subsection of women”.

I was pointing out that that makes no sense, because transwomen are a subsection of men. Nothing to do with what any pp said. Just you.

Sure that’s super helpful and relevant - well done

borntobequiet · 26/02/2024 22:13

Mintyfreshtulips · 26/02/2024 15:34

Tht wasn’t the point though was it? PP said if trans women are women why are they unhappy sharing a space with other trans women who they also think are women.

You said “change trans women (sic) to any other subsection of women”.

I was pointing out that that makes no sense, because transwomen are a subsection of men. Nothing to do with what any pp said. Just you.

WallaceinAnderland · 26/02/2024 15:43

why are they unhappy sharing a space with other trans women who they also think are women

Because they don't think the other transwomen are women. That was the PP's point.

Mintyfreshtulips · 26/02/2024 15:34

borntobequiet · 26/02/2024 12:36

Change trans women to any other section of women.

Because it can’t be said often enough, transwomen are a subsection of men.

Tht wasn’t the point though was it? PP said if trans women are women why are they unhappy sharing a space with other trans women who they also think are women.

WallaceinAnderland · 26/02/2024 13:00

There is one thing that connects all women, across the globe, in every culture, through all time. And that is their sex.

It's not their clothing, hairstyles, skin colour, body shape or personality. It's simply their sex.

Transwomen, being of the male sex, are not part of the female sex.

Froodwithatowel · 26/02/2024 12:57

Ffs the word 'trans' in 'transwoman' means, literally, 'male'. It means male woman. You cannot be a transwoman unless you are male, it's the one defining requirement.

borntobequiet · 26/02/2024 12:36

Change trans women to any other section of women.

Because it can’t be said often enough, transwomen are a subsection of men.

Peskysquirrel · 26/02/2024 12:29

Change trans women to any other section of women.

If you're about to say 'black women' .... just don't.

As has been said above, there is no 'other' section of women.

WallaceinAnderland · 26/02/2024 12:22

Change trans women to any other section of women.

There is no 'other' section of women.

Transwomen are men, not a 'section of women'.