Why are separate spaces for trans people unacceptable (to trans people)?

Sometimes they are transwomen, and sometimes they are men that abuse self ID/Have sexual fetish etc.

Sometimes, 'these men' are transwomen. You know that, there are numerous examples. There are HM Prison Service stats bearing out that males identifying as TW are disproportionately likely to be sex offenders, compared to either women or to men who don't identify as TW. You know that.

You know what the problem is, so I assume you just don't like what the problem is. But that doesn't change what the problem is.

It's important to be aware that a lot of the men forcing their way into women's spaces claiming they're women have not made any changes to their bodies nor do they intend to. They are heterosexual, anatomically intact fetishists. There are those under the frankly giant trans umbrella who feel there is something wrong with their body/ that their body doesn't match their brain/ soul/ personality - but my impression is those forcing through the eradication of single sex spaces are not generally of that type

Ffs why is it always presented as a problem for women to solve. It’s like going to a cats home and saying “Why won’t you let dogs in? Huh? Well what’s your solution then? Where are the dogs meant to go? Don’t you CARE about dogs?”

No it isn't. Spaces for women include all types of women. As transwomen aren't women, they are excluded. Transwomen are welcome to use spaces for men or if they don't like that, can campaign for third, mixed sex spaces. I haven't seen any evidence that transwomen are unsafe in male spaces, we know that many do use them with no issue as they have told us. Women definitely have been harmed by transwomen in female spaces so tw need to stay the fuck out of them.

Segregation of the sexes exists because too many men are complete dicks. If males sort their shit out and start acting like decent humans who actually give a shit about others then there could possibly be a rethink. As it is, they are a long way from that and therefore women's single sex spaces are essential.

Because it's no different to segregating other groups?

Yes, gender ideology does make no sense whatsoever.

If transwomen are women then being with other transwomen shouldn't be a problem.

I didnt day I had one.

Again - I was responding to PP who said if TW really thought they were women, why do they protest a third space with other TW if they truly believed there was no difference between them and a biological women?

What’s your solution?

Because it literally makes zero logical sense perhaps?

I think there's a problem when 'These men' overlap with 'transwomen', the two are not mutually exclusive. Sometimes the overlap seems quite large.

Well what is the problem?

It'll be a space where everyone there is of their gender, won't it?

Thats fine. We can care about whoever we want to!

I’m only interested in how they engage and try to exert control over women. Biological women that is as there is no other type.

Agree. These men are a danger to both women and transwomen.

Clearly it’s not, but some men have a pathological desire to engage in exhibitionism. They may feel it gives them some power or control.

It makes zero sense.

It’s perfectly logical, unlike most (if not all) of the discourse around the GI side of the issue.

No.

Read the PP I am referring to?

She seems to think its a massive 'Gotcha' that if TW truly believe they are women, what exactly is the problem with a third space with other TW if they are indeed also women? It makes zero sense.

I wonder if 'Excuse me sir,would you mind closing your legs?Your male privilege is showing' would have been enough attention for him?

Are you saying that male transitioners don't know they're male?

Do you think they forget their entire lives and think they've always been female? How on earth would they remember to take the cross-sex hormones then?

Tragically, it's more likely to be the opposite way around. In dementia, later memories typically go first, so elderly male transitioners with dementia have forgotten transitioning, and been very distressed by the surgical changes to their bodies.

TW know which facilities they belong in. They just don't like it.

Still not answering her question?

"And if by using your logic, they truly believe they are no different from biological women, how would you sign the seperate bathroom? Why would they know to enter it?"

Not too hard to figure out! The womanly penis, ofc.

I will give my LWB Mark 2A Landrover a hug when I come home on Friday. She probably identifies as a general utility vehicle but, to me, she is just my car.