Why are separate spaces for trans people unacceptable (to trans people)?

Not for all trans people, but certainly for plenty.
And if you want to tell me that those ones are not really trans, then please enlighten me as to how we are supposed to know which are the real "nice" trans ladies, and which are the fetishistic AGPs who want access to female spaces for nefarious reasons?
Best just to keep all males out eh?

Not even remotely comparable.
Black women and gay women (lesbians) are women and so belong in women's spaces. Trans women are men and so do not belong in women's space.

What a ridiculous and offensive argument.

"Can you explain why there wouldn't be 'pee on the seat' in a unisex loo? That's not an argument I've heard before.

Or why the mirrors would be low if men are using them too? Things aren't generally designed with women in mind: at one place I worked, even the ladies loo must've been designed by men because we could just about see our eyebrows in the bottom of the mirrors."

You are reading too much into this - all I want from any loo I use is for it to be clean (no pee on the seat being a particular essential) and decent lighting by the mirror so I can check hair / teeth etc. It doesn't matter if that's an aeroplane, train, workplace, bar or gym or what is written on the door.

this is a very mean spirited and disingenuous thread (although might not have been started in that spirit, original post seems to have got lost)

Most organisations have limited resources, and so to expect separate provisions for men, women, trans women and trans men, is simply beyond the capacity of lots of groups. For one example, a small community theatre would never be able to provide designated toilets or changing rooms for all 4 of those groups of people. Neither could a local leisure centre.

If people campaigned for the provision of separate trans spaces, this would effectively remove trans people's presence in many community spaces. Its far easier to include trans people into existing spaces in most situations, with proper thought and planning.

That's why most campaigns are about inclusion. Because most people (and most trans people) aren't elite athletes, or in the top income bracket. Most of us are using facilities and services with limited budgets and we're pragmatic and realistic!

Being trans is not a fetish

Replace ‘trans’ in the thread title with ‘black’ or even ‘gay’, and you’ll see.

Since when has being trans been a fetish

Can you explain why there wouldn't be 'pee on the seat' in a unisex loo? That's not an argument I've heard before.

Or why the mirrors would be low if men are using them too? Things aren't generally designed with women in mind: at one place I worked, even the ladies loo must've been designed by men because we could just about see our eyebrows in the bottom of the mirrors.

@bringbacktheladiesloos- I have absolutely no idea- because trans men are largely silent on the whole thing.

I think normal(? - Non AGP) transwomen - want to use the women's toilets as they feel that that is consistent with where they belong and to use anything else would be restrictive and outing
To be fair where at work we have mens/women and uni sex - you rarely see anyone using the unisex - i think some of the men go in to poo so everyone else avoids it

I agree

non trans women

Women.
We are not non men.

I feel that the rise of inclusive / gender free / unisex / omnisex loos etc. will end up being what non trans women end up using long term. The trans women can have the women's washroom, the rest of us just want somewhere without pee on the seat and a decently lot mirror.

Narcissism, misogyny, delusions and sometimes AGP fetishism amplified by internet bubbles and captured institutions. Nothing but complete validation/capitulation will do.

*The only type of mental hat

Mental Hat... Lol.

But that should say
'The only type of men that..'

. . . do transmen happily use men's loos / changing rooms etc?

Because trans women don't want this. They want women's spaces and sports, and then to grin coquettishly with surprise when they win at all events- because that's what women do. Trans men are pretty silent on this- probably because none of them have ever, or will ever succeed in any male sport......and yet male bodies have no advantage.........

SaunteringOnBy isn’t everyone.

There's the argument Bridges uses that it's "outing".
Why would anyone be ashamed of being trans?

I don't think it's all sexual, sometimes it's just your common or garden women hatred. I think some of them enjoy making women and children feel afraid, particularly if those women and children can't do anything about it. It's abusive.

Why do abusers abuse? Don't know. Trans ideology is coercive control at a societal level. If there's no-one to control they're not interested.

Do transmen happily use the men's loos?