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Ashley Dalton, Labour Shadow Minister for Women and Equalities this evening...

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Abeona · 20/02/2024 21:42

This evening Labour held an online meeting for LGBT+ History month. I called round to pick up something from a friend's and he was listening to what was going on — so I stayed to take notes and to listen to what guest speaker Anneliese Dodds had to say.

Steph Richards (TW) of Steph's Place seemed to be dominating proceedings and ranting about Labour Women's Declaration, Sex Matters, Julie Bindel, WPUK etc, who are apparently all part of an evil right-wing plot against trans people financed by the evangelical churches. Steph is very angry about this! For someone who identifies as a woman he seems very angry with women full stop. I've seen it written down before but never heard anyone actually say all the right-wing evangelical tosh without laughing. I hoped someone would disagree or laugh, but no one piped up.

Anneliese Dodds couldn't make the meeting by Ashley Dalton, Shadow Minister for Women and Equalities attended instead and said that when Labour get into power they will:
Ban all conversion therapy
There will be tougher sentences for LGBT+ hate crimes
They want more LGBT+ people in Parliament and driving policy and there's money available to support those who'll stand. She wants activists on all fora. (We all know that when they say LGBT+ they mean T+, but GC lesbians, take note and get in there. Contact Ashley Dalton for more information and about the funds available.)
She suggested that we might want to introduce the use of pronouns in CLP meetings.
She also wants to breaks silos and have all minorities coming together to discover what they have in common. I can just imagine how that will work. Steph will dominate those meetings, too.

This doesn't sound like the Labour party is planning to change its direction any time soon.

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Dineasair · 26/04/2024 22:22

Abeona · 22/02/2024 10:05

Someone has contacted me to remind me that the event in Cardiff before Christmas was run by an organisation called Equal Power Equal Voice. It describes itself as a public life mentoring programme. It says it's designed to get LGBT+, disabled and black and minority ethnic people into public life.

That event was funded by the Welsh government, Stonewall Cymru and Disability Wales and there was an expectation that gender ideology was accepted and welcomed by everyone. A woman of colour who had asked a GC question in one of the sessions was picked on by a disabled woman in the lunch queue who said she felt unsafe around her and her views and asked to be escorted around by security. The feedback form has a long gender section: sex not on the menu.

One can't help wondering if disability is soon going to appear in the alphabet soup and the disability lobby will be force teamed just like the LGB. Stonewall and the gender-crazed Welsh government will weed out any applicants who don't play the gender game and a new army of gender activists will be mentored to go into politics. Stonewall is a charity, remember.

A quick look at a government factsheet elicits this information:
Charity law defines political activity as any activity that aims to promote or oppose a change in the law or Government policy. Charities can undertake political activity in support of their charitable aims, but it's not acceptable for a charity to pursue its aims solely through political activities.

Stonewall is set on deeply embedding a new ideology based on faith. It's used its network set up to equalise the rights of LGB people, which most people understand was a fair and good thing to do, to move onto to something much more dangerous. Its relationship with Stonewall in Wales, in particular, is really disturbing. Scottish posters, is Stonewall quite as embedded in the Scottish government as it is in Wales? It seems to be an extension of the Welsh government.

It's amazing it's still classified as a charity when it is now very clearly attempting to game the political system.

I think it’s grip might be slipping but there’s a hell of a long way to go, many people are just oblivious to all of this and they don’t want to listen, it’s going to take a lot more damage to wake people up but little by little, I think we are gaining ground. We need to keep emphasising the fact that much of the advice that they are giving out is actually illegal and leaves organisations at risk of litigation.

SammyScrounge · 29/02/2024 00:40

Abeona · 20/02/2024 21:42

This evening Labour held an online meeting for LGBT+ History month. I called round to pick up something from a friend's and he was listening to what was going on — so I stayed to take notes and to listen to what guest speaker Anneliese Dodds had to say.

Steph Richards (TW) of Steph's Place seemed to be dominating proceedings and ranting about Labour Women's Declaration, Sex Matters, Julie Bindel, WPUK etc, who are apparently all part of an evil right-wing plot against trans people financed by the evangelical churches. Steph is very angry about this! For someone who identifies as a woman he seems very angry with women full stop. I've seen it written down before but never heard anyone actually say all the right-wing evangelical tosh without laughing. I hoped someone would disagree or laugh, but no one piped up.

Anneliese Dodds couldn't make the meeting by Ashley Dalton, Shadow Minister for Women and Equalities attended instead and said that when Labour get into power they will:
Ban all conversion therapy
There will be tougher sentences for LGBT+ hate crimes
They want more LGBT+ people in Parliament and driving policy and there's money available to support those who'll stand. She wants activists on all fora. (We all know that when they say LGBT+ they mean T+, but GC lesbians, take note and get in there. Contact Ashley Dalton for more information and about the funds available.)
She suggested that we might want to introduce the use of pronouns in CLP meetings.
She also wants to breaks silos and have all minorities coming together to discover what they have in common. I can just imagine how that will work. Steph will dominate those meetings, too.

This doesn't sound like the Labour party is planning to change its direction any time soon.

It sounds as if the Labour Party has collectively gone insane.
But what other minorities would want to ally with them? Muslims? Hindus? Any group which values their children?

mackerella · 28/02/2024 17:23

I've just come here from the thread about Yvette Cooper on WH and noticed the following quote:

They want more LGBT+ people in Parliament and driving policy and there's money available to support those who'll stand. She wants activists on all fora.

LGBT+ people are already overrepresented in parliament, at just under 10% of MPs (vs the 3.3% of the general UK population who identify as LGBT+).

Only 34.6% of MPs are women (who make up 51% of the adult population).

There are fewer than 10 MPs who are known to be disabled (obviously there may be others with unknown or hidden disabilities), as opposed to the 130 or so that you might expect if parliament were representative of the UK population.

In 2019, a record-breaking 54% of MPs had been educated at a state comprehensive - which sounds great until you consider that 88% of the UK school population goes to a state comprehensive and only 7% are educated privately.

Parliament underrepresents a number of different groups, but LGBT+ people is not one of them.

Sexual orientation, UK - Office for National Statistics

Sexual orientation in the UK in 2021 and 2022 by region, sex, age, legal partnership status, ethnic group and socio-economic classification.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/sexuality/bulletins/sexualidentityuk/2021and2022

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 06:58

Just went to check his name, and found an odd loop on the SS website that says 'who we are' and tells you nothing!

Tuns out he's stepping down. Colin McFarlane.

tfn.scot/news/head-of-stonewall-scotland-to-step-down

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 06:53

Abeona · 22/02/2024 10:05

Someone has contacted me to remind me that the event in Cardiff before Christmas was run by an organisation called Equal Power Equal Voice. It describes itself as a public life mentoring programme. It says it's designed to get LGBT+, disabled and black and minority ethnic people into public life.

That event was funded by the Welsh government, Stonewall Cymru and Disability Wales and there was an expectation that gender ideology was accepted and welcomed by everyone. A woman of colour who had asked a GC question in one of the sessions was picked on by a disabled woman in the lunch queue who said she felt unsafe around her and her views and asked to be escorted around by security. The feedback form has a long gender section: sex not on the menu.

One can't help wondering if disability is soon going to appear in the alphabet soup and the disability lobby will be force teamed just like the LGB. Stonewall and the gender-crazed Welsh government will weed out any applicants who don't play the gender game and a new army of gender activists will be mentored to go into politics. Stonewall is a charity, remember.

A quick look at a government factsheet elicits this information:
Charity law defines political activity as any activity that aims to promote or oppose a change in the law or Government policy. Charities can undertake political activity in support of their charitable aims, but it's not acceptable for a charity to pursue its aims solely through political activities.

Stonewall is set on deeply embedding a new ideology based on faith. It's used its network set up to equalise the rights of LGB people, which most people understand was a fair and good thing to do, to move onto to something much more dangerous. Its relationship with Stonewall in Wales, in particular, is really disturbing. Scottish posters, is Stonewall quite as embedded in the Scottish government as it is in Wales? It seems to be an extension of the Welsh government.

It's amazing it's still classified as a charity when it is now very clearly attempting to game the political system.

Yes, Stonewall Scotland are part of the cabal of groups who advise the Scotgov on 'gender' issues, alongside Equality Network, LGBTYS (still under police investigation?), and others. So they informed the GRR bill and I expect will be doing the same for the upcoming conversion Bill.

I seem to recall someone high up in Stonewall Scotland telling women off for tweeting too late at night? Can't recall his name.

Cancelledcurio · 23/02/2024 01:59

I despise Labour for putting us in this position. Meanwhile, the UK maternal mortality rate is the worst in Europe (or something). B*stards.

LesbianNan · 22/02/2024 23:49

That's a very considered post @NitroNine. You are right.
I'll spend some time reading those links you added. Thank you.

NitroNine · 22/02/2024 23:07

Jaysus.

We’ve an actual issue when it comes to the [lack of] prosecution of disability hate crimes. The police & CPS are already expending more energy on Hurty Words, Funny Looks & Stickers With Facts On than they are on protecting truly vulnerable people. There’s already a sentencing uplift for hate crimes, so what is this great eejit suggesting? Special “justice” for special people? Disability Hate Crime is “massively under-reported” rather than there being activists dedicating their time to reporting everything under the sun; & deliberately targeting a disabled person because their disability makes them vulnerable is not, bizarrely, counted as a hate crime. The special “equal” treatment bench book compels people to perjure themselves so that male criminals are not upset by being correctly described by their victims. Heaven forfend one should be untoward about paedophiles, after all. Or rapists. Or violent men who’ve committed assault. Or men who “just” threaten women online. (There is of course also a layer of ableism woven into it: there are several disabilities where being forced to [try to remember to] address/refer to a male individual using terms reserved for the female sex could cause discomfort, distress, stress & confusion.)

Absolutely homophobic & transphobic hate crimes should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. (By “transphobic” I mean eg the assault of an individual motivated by a hatred for transgender people.) Happily that is, generally speaking (I’m not going to pretend there aren’t some issues still) the case.

Quite how Labour could look at the crime stats & think “yes, that’s what needs our focus” I don’t know. I mean, we know they’re not going to touch the record high of antisemitic hate crimes (only one Labour peer spoke in the Lords’ discussion of Anti-Semitism in the UK yesterday & he was focused on suggesting the Tories weren’t doing enough 🤨) but you’d think perhaps someone would look at the actual statistics involved & realise “we’re going to prioritise a group that’s already receiving a disproportionate amount of resources” isn’t good optics.

jamswell · 22/02/2024 21:06

Look forward to seeing Lily Madigan in the mix then

Floisme · 22/02/2024 20:55

That's an interesting contrast: Ashley Dalton promoted to shadow minister within 12 months of being elected, and meanwhile I gather Starmer hasn't spoken to Rosie Duffield for 2 years.

WorriedMutha · 22/02/2024 20:50

I actually helped with Ashley Dalton's failed attempt to be elected in the 2019 election. She is definitely moderate and no fan of Corbyn. Gender never came up then. Fun fact you will appreciate, I attended a fundraising dinner where the guest speakers included Rosie Duffield (and Wes Streeting). Rosie said she'd met Ashley when they were both attending some kind of weekend event to boost women's electoral chances in the Labour Party. This must have been before Rosie was elected. Rosie said that they got on like a house on fire and had been good friends ever since. It goes without saying I'm deeply disappointed with AD and I wonder how much she's just suckered into the group think on this. She was sitting next to Annaliese Dodds when Kemi Badenoch was delivering her speech on schools guidance and she looked like a rabbit in the headlights. I wonder if she's still Rosie's BFF.

TempestTost · 22/02/2024 18:26

Cancelledcurio · 22/02/2024 09:30

Yeah Steph does that in L P meetings too. Ex LP member here of many years. Steph goes door knocking with our local MP every weekend . Best of buddies. I hate all the political parties and despise Labour for this . I feel if I don't vote for them our NHS will be gone etc
They all hate women.

Labour has no actual plan for the NHS, so it may be six of one, half a dozen of the other, so far as that goes.

EasternStandard · 22/02/2024 11:38

Starmer will do anything to avoid an issue

Including likely losing the speaker his job

Froodwithatowel · 22/02/2024 11:15

And goodness knows women are about to make sure that it is. Very clearly and widely understood indeed.

HagoftheNorth · 22/02/2024 10:23

Definitely makes it clear that Kier’s fence-sitting is only because he’s (very mildly) concerned about losing votes if the actual Labour position becomes widely understood

Abeona · 22/02/2024 10:14

@Floisme I think Ashley Dalton is an example. Joined up as a lesbian, now queer and sporting pronouns. Straight into the Shadow Cabinet not long after being elected for the first time. Who promoted her and who gave her the nod it would be good to know.

Labour and the unions working against women's rights. It grieves me more than I can say.

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Abeona · 22/02/2024 10:05

Someone has contacted me to remind me that the event in Cardiff before Christmas was run by an organisation called Equal Power Equal Voice. It describes itself as a public life mentoring programme. It says it's designed to get LGBT+, disabled and black and minority ethnic people into public life.

That event was funded by the Welsh government, Stonewall Cymru and Disability Wales and there was an expectation that gender ideology was accepted and welcomed by everyone. A woman of colour who had asked a GC question in one of the sessions was picked on by a disabled woman in the lunch queue who said she felt unsafe around her and her views and asked to be escorted around by security. The feedback form has a long gender section: sex not on the menu.

One can't help wondering if disability is soon going to appear in the alphabet soup and the disability lobby will be force teamed just like the LGB. Stonewall and the gender-crazed Welsh government will weed out any applicants who don't play the gender game and a new army of gender activists will be mentored to go into politics. Stonewall is a charity, remember.

A quick look at a government factsheet elicits this information:
Charity law defines political activity as any activity that aims to promote or oppose a change in the law or Government policy. Charities can undertake political activity in support of their charitable aims, but it's not acceptable for a charity to pursue its aims solely through political activities.

Stonewall is set on deeply embedding a new ideology based on faith. It's used its network set up to equalise the rights of LGB people, which most people understand was a fair and good thing to do, to move onto to something much more dangerous. Its relationship with Stonewall in Wales, in particular, is really disturbing. Scottish posters, is Stonewall quite as embedded in the Scottish government as it is in Wales? It seems to be an extension of the Welsh government.

It's amazing it's still classified as a charity when it is now very clearly attempting to game the political system.

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Floisme · 22/02/2024 09:45

I've been thinking about the expected influx of new Labour MPs after the election and where they might stand on this. I'm guessing that to get selected they'll have had to toe their CLP line.

I suppose there might possibly be some who are GC but have kept quiet and are hoping they can be more outspoken once elected, but if so, I think they'll be in for a rude awakening.

As for the NHS, I agree with the sentiment but I also think it stopped being ours a long time ago.

Cancelledcurio · 22/02/2024 09:36

Yeah and Steph read a poem about domestic violence for IWD in the Guildhall Square , Portsmouth for Labour as the Women's Officer . That really upset me . Steph later posted himself reading it online and I felt the contempt for women. As a survivor , it felt like he was mocking women.

Cancelledcurio · 22/02/2024 09:30

Yeah Steph does that in L P meetings too. Ex LP member here of many years. Steph goes door knocking with our local MP every weekend . Best of buddies. I hate all the political parties and despise Labour for this . I feel if I don't vote for them our NHS will be gone etc
They all hate women.

TinselAngel · 22/02/2024 09:22

Was it Steph who organised that protest outside the FILIA conference? One of many where they displayed posters issuing threats of sexual violence against women. That Steph?

Yes. He minced around outside handing out leaflets with pictures of himself on.

TinselAngel · 22/02/2024 09:21

I can't let a thread about the fragrant Steph go by without a reminder that he wrote a whole blog post on his website about how much he hates me.

NoWordForFluffy · 22/02/2024 09:16

viques · 21/02/2024 22:42

I live in a Labour controlled council.

They are celebrating LGBT with a month long series of events, workshops, posters, life stories , exhibitions etc

They are celebrating International Womens day with a one day celebration of women which takes place from 19.00 to 21.00. Not even a day. Two measly hours.

This sounds like something my council would do. They passed a motion that TWAW and TMAM the other year.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/02/2024 09:00

Yes it was FiLiA in Portsmouth. Amnesty International also provided placards for the protest ISTR.

Froodwithatowel · 22/02/2024 08:52

If it's the event I'm thinking of then a couple of the battier activists were happily drawing obscene pictures in chalk on the pavement with sexual threats near women talking about their sexual assaults.

The gaslighting is reaching new heights isn't it? Homosexual women who say no to men aren't homosexual at all, they're right wing under cover infiltrators. Any minute now, it'll be that any human who says no to men is actually an under cover martian/Klingon.

They're absolutely bloody nuts.

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