"Human Milk" ffs

I do not believe that.

The profile of men identifying as women and taking professional positions in sports, and all sectors of the professional world implies quite the opposite to your claim.

I do not think that we should accept the word "milk" in this discussison.

Secretion or some such.

We should not accept the premise at all .

A newborn baby glugging down copious amounts of testosterone, in order to fulfil the fantasy of a man. (And if it's the same man, said it was more exciting than what a lover could do.)

And the bloody mad, captured, NHS is endorsing it.

I don't know how many times I've said about this bloody awful ideology that just when I think I've seen it all, I realise I haven't.

Can anyone who has journal access post the findings related to nutritional value?

Surely if this study was robust and going to be used by NHS Directors, it should be available to read outside of paid access?

Lactation Induction in a Transgender Woman: Macronutrient Analysis and Patient Perspectives - PubMed (nih.gov)

The NHS Rainbow Badge scheme specifically demands trusts have policies to support "non-carrying" parent to breast/chest feed.
I can't find it now but in the resources pack trusts are signposted to Brighton's policy. It will be in every trust that took part in the assessment process.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/rainbowbadgee_accreditationrepo/response/2501043/attach/3/Barts%20Rainbow%20Award%20Final%20Assessment%20Report.pdf?cookiee_passthrough=1

Hi @BeautifulViews what study would you like to see take place in order for the safety to babies of male excretions to be assessed? And what be be the potential benefit to the baby and what would be the potential harm? Thanks

Damn, meant to quote @Helleofabore

But how many 'male breast substances' need to be tested to reach the degree of confidence that this should be allowed to then be fed to a child?

I think the problem here is the advocates claim their dubious research "proves" this and the onus is on others to prove otherwise.

Well. Testing a substance from a male breast is not unethical on its own.

But how many 'male breast substances' need to be tested to reach the degree of confidence that this should be allowed to then be fed to a child? Then considering the sex fetish side, how would it ever be ethical to have an experiment where there are 100?, 1000? of these males going through the process of lactating for 3 months and 6 further weeks to establish whether that one case study was even accurate, let alone keep the experiment going for longer to see what happens.

All to centre a male experience?

Fuck. And some people think that this is a good thing?

The disgust response is instinctive in primates and serves an important evolutionary purpose. Why are we suppressing it?

(Females are more easily disgusted than males btw.)

The default should not be that babies can be experimented on for male vanity and people questioning the ethics are the ones in the wrong.

I don't think analysis of the lactate produced by trans women is unethical

They are not women.

And the testosterone suppression drug is KNOWN to be unreliable Sinner. We know this because of the sports studies have been very clear that it is unreliable.

I had complications around 6 weeks after birth and was told to stop breastfeeding as the Dr's were concerned that the drugs (painkillers and antibiotics) wouldn't be good for the baby. They didn't know but didn't want to take any risks.

Breastfeeding mothers are routinely told to not take any drugs or stop breastfeeding.

Helleofabore · Today 12:04

The male who fed exclusively for 6 weeks started with 2.56 ng/ml.

So, that's 10 times the absolute maximum, noted in a mother with polycystic ovary syndrome and about 25 times the normal level of testosterone of a "normal" breastfeeding woman.

That's without even considering the levels of canrenone in the fluid forced into the baby.

I would be furious if I found out that the milk I got from the milk bank was from a man and not a woman. It’s not the same at all

The male breast lacks the body parts, as far as I am aware, of the receptors that allow that interaction between mother and infant. While that male breast produces a liquid, it lacks the immediate feedback that a female breast, including the hormone levels that a mothers body is monitoring after pregnancy, that delivers tailored milk to the infant.

Women are being told very clearly that we have to be so careful of all the food we take and medication we use.

And still we have people, including medical directors apparently, saying that infants should be used as experiments for a male centred experience that could potentially deliver harmful chemicals to an infant. And that is not even touching on the sexual fetish side that is published, and self published too, by males who experiment on themselves.

So do I. Fucking men and the fucking stupid women pandering to them. Babies being used in their sick fetish game. I despair too. When will all this sick nonsense stop?! It's dangerous and damaging.

I fucking despair.
All this fucking weird shit is now being normalised: polyamory, surrogacy, men pretending they are women, children being taught there are countless genders, teens being encouraged to ‘change’ sex. I absolutely fucking despair.

Walked into the chemist yesterday to look for some treatment for a sore throat treatment for a breastfeeding mother." None of those are suitable" says the pharmacist "as they'll be passed onto the baby via breastmilk". So we settled for gargling with salt water.
The pharmacist and the mother naturally prioritised the wellbeing of the baby. In contrast the comments from that hospital demonstrate just how this ideology is breaking so many aspects of society. Medical ethics, children's health and safeguarding abandoned in favour of demands from a niche group.

It's becoming terrifying.

There has not been any long term follow up on CoT babies fed these secretions/ medical experiment (would it pass ethics requirements anyway?).
And the NHS has no plans or ethics rules to tell older Cots if they have been subject to this.
There is no NHS safeguarding consideration of why it may be better for COT babies not to be required to suck male nipples, nor older siblings watch it, for CSA grooming risks.
There is no child protection involvement at all for Cots whose dads want to do this (no social services referral until after father is arrested for something else).
In fact there is a startling lack of curiosity/ concern by all NHS safeguarding staff/social workers about anything welfare related if a child has a transparent.
And with the trans flags everywhere in hospitals including on staff badges no Cot can speak up in such a hostile environment.

https://www.them.us/story/trans-women-breastfeed

This is an illuminating read and shows insight into the motivations for these male people who seek to do this.

This article is relevant too

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2161151-transgender-woman-is-first-to-be-able-to-breastfeed-her-baby/?utm_source=rakuten&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=2116208:Skimlinks.com&utm_content=10&ranMID=47192&ranEAID=TnL5HPStwNw&ranSiteID=TnL5HPStwNw-uOWyW0a0EHFcOxL5MmCf5Q&utm_source=rakuten&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=2116208:Skimlinks.com&utm_content=10&ranMID=47192&ranEAID=TnL5HPStwNw&ranSiteID=TnL5HPStwNw-eFdm05QNJngWSRNMPW32yA#ixzz6f2Pil0Ik

“However, the woman’s breastmilk has not been assessed yet, so we don’t know if it has the same mix of components as in milk from new gestational mothers. This means the practice cannot yet be recommended, says Madeline Deutsch at the University of California, San Francisco. She says she can see the potential benefits of breastfeeding, but that the long-term impact of this milk on the baby – including on subtle measures like IQ – is unknown.”

“Deutsch herself is a transgender woman with a six-month-old baby who is currently being breastfed by Deutsch’s wife, who was the gestational mother. “I am very sad not to be able to breastfeed her and at the same time I did not consider doing this for the above reasons,” she says.”

This was February 2018. I have not seen anything to prove that any in-depth studies have been released since to counter this expert's opinion. And there has been plenty of other threads since this that where these studies would have been posted by activist posters.

Yes, we need more information. However, no human infants should be used to do this. And I am uncomfortable about using animals for something that is not a life saving procedure as well