"Human Milk" ffs

This comment gives away your faux just asking questions previous posts.

You know why these men are doing it and you appear to endorse it.

@BeautifulViews

Well, seeing as rapists pretend to be women and then go into rape women... and seeing as every single man who wants to do this fulfilling their own desires over the needs of a tiny human being, who will be forced to suckle at a man's nipple...it's pretty fucking likely.

No man is doing this for the best interests of the child.

No man is doing this for the best interests of the mother who gave birth.

The only reason they're doing this is to satisfy their pretence that they are a woman.

Hundreds of thousands of women are unable to breastfeed, unable to get support or help with breastfeeding, they're unable to access counselling for "failing" to breastfeed their baby....but...noooo let's all support the man and his twisted idea of what it means for him to be a woman...

If the man pumping himself full of this crap to satisfy his desires, actually wants to lovte life as a woman...then he must accept that...not all women can breastfeed because if genetics/biology... It's one of the hardships of being an actual woman... But they don't want that. They want to play-act being what they think a woman is, considering only themselves and not the mother and certainly not the baby being fed this way.

I refer you to the "Loretta" sketch in Monty Pythons Life of Brian. Any man who thinks he can be a natural woman, and do what women do naturally (gestate a baby, breastfeed it etc) is bonkers. And wants his head looked at. And whoever approved the funds for the ghastly experiment of dosing a man up with hormones to produce "chest milk" equally wants their head looking at. And the sack for misappropriating funds. The NHS is on its knees, and money is being spent on this tosh?

Perfectly said.

What is the likelihood? And of women doing the same?

"You've already been shown on this thread that, for a start, the testosterone levels in male nipple discharge is orders of magnitude higher than in mothers' breastmilk" This is false, I've been shown one review of a research paper that did not measure the testosterone levels in 'male nipple discharge' or anything else about it! I have repeatedly said we SHOULD test it if we are going to give it to babies. I never said we needed to research to see of testosterone is harmless to babies either.

Who has proven it's different? I keep asking for this research and nobody can supply it. If it is different people will have to accept that.

nobody is suggesting we give snot or saliva to babies as food so why test it? People are suggesting we give this so is it really outrageous to make sure it's safe? according to you they've already tested it!

Sounds gross but do you have a link to the video you mention?

Thank you MrsO. It is the really deep knowledge that something is wrong, isn't it? And when you put that alongside the most vulnerable, such as a baby, the wrongness becomes raw and it's impossible to tell lies.

I'm a bit behind the times but have just discovered that the used-to-be-wonderful La Leche League, has been well and truly got. 😭

Yes there was some twat called David Thomas. It was either him who described 'bouncing boobily', or someone else taking the piss.

I do remember him being a little disappointed that he hadn't been objectified in some way.

Total AGP (in my opinion HQ).

i'm very glad to see so many people understanding that this is a fetish, though.

Many women have known it, for bloody years. But the marketing of transgenderism as a neurological issue, or a born in the wrong body issue, or like being gay (how?) has gone a long way to try and bury that info.

So reading people in the comments in The Telegraph totally nailing it as a fetish, is very reassuring.

But yes, I understand women who are feeling very upset about this.

To take something so pure, nurturing and natural, and turn it into a fucking creepy load of shit, is very upsetting.

It will look like this

Am I right in thinking an archived link will be deleted?

Go to the webpage archive.today and c&p the link from the telegraph article.
It has already been archived and will come up.
I don't think it allows access to comments though.

If a non trans dad wanted a newborn to suck on his tit just so he could share the experience with the mum, there would be uproar and he would probably be arrested.

Why are these special dispensations being given?

Yes, DT had DT - D Thomas is their name. Wrote a men's rights book under the name David Thomas.

What about the safeguarding concerns - the likelihood of men using unconsenting infants as props in their sexual fetish? does that not concern you at all?

If not, for Gods sake why not?

It's our protective instinct means that we will prevail in the long run. Because no matter what they say - only women give birth and only women can breastfeed. We must hold our nerve and hold onto what we know is true.

They're well up on it aren't they? Didn't the DT have a resident AGP writing all about his transition? Readers were paying attention!

Thank you for responses from other angry and upset people. I was going to send you virtual hugs and boxes of a well-known brand of tissues, but just to be sure I looked them up and they have apparently partnered with Disney to produce a 'rainbow collection' promoting 'LGBTQIA+' rights. 😢😢😢Sending virtual old fashioned handkerchiefs instead.

The comments on that Telegraph article are all identifying this as autogynephilia. They are as disgusted as the women here, and saying that the NHS is allowing men to abuse babies to play out their sexual fetish.

I don't think they do share tokens - it's the Times that has those. Sorry.

but I am not very knowledgeable on the subject.

It's abundantly clear. Do some reading up about the motivations of many males to "transition". Children aren't props.

I'm a biological female who breastfed her children and I'm struggling to read this thread. It's making me cry.
Anyone else feeling the same?

Yes, and I don't cry easily.

@MrsOvertonsWindow Thanks- any chance of a Telegraph share token please??

@yesmen If drug induced secretion is no good, galactorrhoea? I have just read online 'Male galactorrhea is not milk. It's chemical induced, toxic, nutrition-less excreta.'

Just adding to this.

So not only is testosterone suppression unreliable (as per the sports studies) so this amount of testosterone is not reliable in males suppressing testosterone. But also, testosterone reduces milk production. I have read that it was used to suppress lactation in some women.

So when people query that study where that male exclusively fed the infant, this is entirely valid!

So the studies out there on impact of testosterone taken by females breastfeeding only report on impacts on infant that are observable. Not long term at all.

At what point are these adults going to accept that their choices should not be automatically granted because they demand it or they claim special status. Remember, some academics with questionable ethics have stated female people who demand to take testosterone while pregnant should be given it because the risk of having a child with a disability should be dismissed because it is ablest. That these mothers should do what they want and if the child is impacted, well that is fine because avoiding that is ableist. (ie. A child living with an avoidable disability is not to be prioritised over the mother’s bodily choices)

Telegraph article (someone asked upthread for it):

1600 comments (increasing rapidly) and all as horrified as women on here and astounded that a senior NHS director would openly spout such dangerous lies, especially in relation to the safety of babies. Also many accurate comments about what's really behind this:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/18/trans-womens-milk-as-good-as-breast-milk-says-nhs-trust/

Exactly right.

Therefore this secretion should not be called milk.

It needs a different name cleearly identifying what it is and pronto.

Absolutely.

As such we should NEVER accept the starting premise that this is "milk".

That world should never be used in conjunction with this secretion.

We saw what happened when we were nice about Woman.