"Human Milk" ffs

What the actual fuck whoever let their babies take part in this study should have them removed immediately it's actually insane!!

They're trying to reinvent the wheel when to me it's very simple if you want a biological child, use your sperm, live as a trans woman/whatever and bottle feed the baby like millions do 🤷‍♀️

Wasting NHS money on this bollocks makes me feel sick those poor babies getting experimented on for some sick fuckers pleasure is beyond belief and whoever authorised it and took part should be removed from the NHS

Please read this comment @BeautifulViews. It's really all you need to understand - especially if you're a woman and mother!

I'd just had a chat with my daughter about transwomen's 'periods', she finds it bizarre! I am quite naïve I admit and I am a hopeless optimist, not sure why but it makes me happy to believe that people are ultimately good.

Although, when did I use the phrase 'female people'? Doesn't sound like me. And what do they do too? I genuinely only wanted to know where the information was coming from, I like learning things and I find the human body fascinating.

I suggest you do your very own research on the paraphilias found in men. All men.

Including the male people, including trans people, who ask for used period products or who take them from bins. Some love tampons and 'insert' them.

They turn up on MN sometimes and the mods give them short shrift. They love to feed on women's period stories. Then there are the shit-fetishists. Not so many of them get through MN these days.

They are NOT female people. Your comment about 'female people do this too' really is showing ignorance. But maybe you see this type of return arguments on other sites and thought they were thought provoking or clever. Either way, I suggest you start reading and read some more, and then read some more. Many of us on this thread have been reading for years. There is still so much to learn.

Exactly!

Autogynaphilia is a fetish, where men want to try and mimic female bodily functions. Like breastfeeding, periods, and yes, even still birth.

The Internet abounds with transwomen faking periods, with pretend period kits, and shoving Tampax up their bums.

Many transwomen are AGP. Take Debbie Hayton, for instance, and his AGP story splashed across the times, The Telegraph and daily mail, last week.

It can also take the form of wearing women's clothes, coveting their anatomy, or indulging in what they perceive as their sex specific past times. Like knitting.

For more information, please go to the trans widows website, or the thousands and thousands of posts from trans widows on this very site. Or look at children of transitioners. A website for the offspring of men who transition, most, if not all, of whom have AGP.

Christ, those are shocking statistics. I wonder how many claimed to be trans before they were locked up!

Quite!

If it’s all so safe all men should be doing it.

It's incredible that some people imagine that the onus is on people who object to this unnecessary and unnatural practice to prove that it's harmful and done for adult gratification rather than for a baby's benefit rather than for the proponents to prove that it's harmless and beneficial in some way.

The Gender clinic doctor who was in the article I listed who also commented on the study of the male who had fed for 6 weeks brought up the issues.

As that medical doctor stated, no one knows what the long term damage might be, including IQ.

Or did you not read that newscientist article, or you didn't look up the doctor commenting who is a gender clinician and very familiar with the cocktail of drugs that they prescribe.

The best way to combat this is to say no to all men who want infants to suckle their nipples.

there are perverts in every demographic, that's how they get away with it.

There are a lot more in the male demographic, than the breastfeeding mother demographic.

I suggest you now go and look up the % of trans male UK prisoners and compare them using census data to the rest of the UK population. There are threads on MN where this has been done.

The answer is there are a higher % of sex offenders that are male with a trans ID than the rest of the population.

It didn't debunk it, it said that not enough had been done in the researches she looked at to draw a conclusion.

It showed how these studies are all pretty flimsy "proof" that the drug induced secretions of males are a good thing to feed an infant. Also ask yourself why a transgender clinic is carrying out these studies. Wake up.

Ok looked it up. If a paedophile also has that fetish then that is a risk. One way to combat this would be to ensure close supervision of any trans parent who requests drugs to breast feed but I wouldn't have thought child in that situation would be at any more risk than any other child. there are perverts in every demographic, that's how they get away with it.

Are transwomen more likely to be sex offenders? I have no idea.

Nobody should be researching it at all. There's zero need for men to feed drug induced nipple goo to babies. None.

Anything fed to babies should have the baby at the centre of whether this is something that benefits them. There is no benefit to the baby at all for this over breast milk and formula milk. Just an awful lot of negatives some too gross to contemplate.

The phrase just because you can doesn't mean you should comes to mind.

It didn't debunk it, it said that not enough had been done in the researches she looked at to draw a conclusion.

And I'll look that up.

Of course you will.

I supplied a study that showed that trans women's breast milk was basically the same but that is ignored.

I supplied a review which debunked that that is what the study showed.

I don't think you are particularly posting in good faith, but if you care, you'll research autogynephilia.

Ffs. Madness. And think that a NHS Trust manager says he believes this bullshit??? Insanity.

I asked for evidence nobody supplied any but are happy to make claims they can't or won't back up. I am genuinely interested what it would be if not milk. On the other hand I supplied a study that showed that trans women's breast milk was basically the same but that is ignored.

I highly doubt that people would do this as for a fetish but if they are paedophiles wanting to use babies in a fetish activity they should be stopped but there isn't a shred of evidence for that. But if you have any do share, I will happily change me mine when supplied with proof.

Didn't everyone campaign against hormones in cows milk in the 80s/90s? But it's OK if it's man hormones??? And organic cow milk is still considered premium.

#organichumanmilkonly

Sadly there are various examples of dads doing this on the cots website - less salubrious websites the poster above will already have found if the query was genuine. With regards to stats there are several websites by specialist psch and probation staff which detail the paraphilia stats. The nhs has refused to release their stats regarding this as far as i know- perhaps because no ethics comittee agreed experimentation on babies and grooming of children is a safeguarding fail?

Women are less likely to have paraphilias. Can you tell us how many new mothers are sexually aroused by giving birth? We can tell you how many women join breastfeeding groups that don't need assistance with breastfeeding or join to give expert opinion.... I have heard of not one.

Any one else heard of one?

The points that you keep raising, really are the same we see rolled out on thread after thread. It is the same as 'women are voilent in prison to, why is it that you want to exclude male people from female prison'.