"Human Milk" ffs

On a different forum, I saw people seriously arguing that unless you could prove that man pus is a inferior food for a baby, it's a matter of parental choice.

Bizarre that they want to deny parents the right to prevent their children getting dosed with hormones to "change sex" but also want to rely on parental choice to stuff babies with hormones. It's all about hormoning children up, for some reason.

Its interesting that all the press coverage is concentrating on the secretion content. The elephant in the room- that the children of transitioners complained that the nhs is not safeguarding baby cots from dads with sexual fetishes- is something none of them dare address. Only the Jo Bartosch article has acknowledged this. No one will talk about it.

I know it's been said before but when you look at all the ways women restrict themselves - diet, medication, alcohol - when breastfeeding, the idea that anyone has allowed self centred men who take a cocktail of drugs on a regular basis to go anywhere near the idea of breastfeeding some vulnerable baby just defies all belief. Sigh......

In fact, the study says that the protein, lactose, and calorie content of the milk were comparable, but that it was higher in fat. Higher in fat does not mean ‘higher quality’, as Luxion claimed

Quite apart from the high fat content, what about the testosterone and the testosterone suppressents?

Is anyone talking about that?

Oh wow thanks for sharing that.

I don't think I've read a long piece from Milli Hill before, this is so good. So calmly logical.

Indeed ESV

All because some groups have chosen to take 2 case studies where the substance has been partially, and inadequately analysed.

Gosh... what high standards of care this NHS trust believes it has. This is gross incompetence.

God almighty - we really are well and truly through the looking glass, aren't we?

The deliberate obfuscation of the facts, the intentional blurring of the meanings of words, the way this has gone viral as a "fact", despite having being been calculatedly misrepresented - and that no-one who knows this has even attempted to clarify the inaccuracies and downright fallacies presented as realities is both shocking and terrifying!

How many children are going to be permanently damaged in body and mind because of this pernicious cult?

https://millihill.substack.com/p/dear-bbc-youve-got-your-facts-wrong

While I'm on a roll, the new genetic evidence coming out of the latest dna sequencing projects is casting a lot of doubt on the assumed gender roles in the EEA (environment of evolutionary adaptation). It seems men did indeed do some caring functions and women hunted as well as gathered. It's too complicated for ms to really understand why as I'm not a geneticist but it is causing some waves.

I am gc and believe in sex BTW.

BTW though, no studies at all have found that tw have lowered testosterone without drugs so its not an identity thing but a biological response to brain chemistry called love (all from oxytocin which is also released in sex as well as any skin to skin extended contact).

No of course not, but some posters seem to think fathers have no role at all and that is not true on an evolutionary level. Testosterone drives sexual behaviour and competition so it is interesting to know that it lowers when you enter a long term relationship and more still when you have a child. I believe there are also differences in playing that link to these levels depending on if the child is male ir female but would have to look up the studies to be sure on that last point.

A couple of things that have been bouncing around in my head.

When I became pregnant there was an unwritten but undeniable contract between our DD and us. We committed to put her needs before our wants and, in return, she made no commitments at all.

When DD was small and wouldn't sleep, she would happily curl up in the space formed by DH's naked arm and chest. I don't know if it was his smell, heartbeat or breathing rhythm but she loved it.

Quite.

Those are not reasons to promote excreting whatever toxic pus a man can squeeze from his moobs into a baby.

Although I am in complete agreement I do just want to add 2 things.
1 skin to skin with dad's is also good for attachment
2 fathers hormones do change in parenthood, with reduced testosterone for around a year after the birth. If they are involved. Also men in long term relationships have lowered testosterone compared to themselves when they were single. So there are some male changes too linked to skin to skin and being a parent, it's not completely true to say all on the woman.

I'm not entirely sure where to put this offering from Mole, but it seems reasonably relevant:

https://twitter.com/moleatthedoor/status/1759626198433316912/photo/1

Oh yes. I remember those threads as well. Not just a single instance.

Logically there must be something biological driving mammals to feel attached to their young, and a human baby needs more care than other mammals.

From the point of view of the individual woman/cat/mouse etc.etc it makes more sense to abandon your young at birth, if you put your own interests first.

The evolutionary drive to put your children’s need first is what keeps them alive. (Other evolutionary paths are available and some animals never know their young but we aren’t those animals).

Obviously it’s also helpful from an evolutionary point of view if other people can take over the care of your children, (see also penguins) but they also need to put the child’s needs above their own.

Well we have had TRA's showing up on here to argue with an infertile woman, claiming that they are also an infertile woman, because they cannot conceive. You know, being male and everything.

Yes, I remember a few of them, but the one that made a vile comment to R0wantrees really stands out.

Well we have had TRA's showing up on here to argue with an infertile woman, claiming that they are also an infertile woman, because they cannot conceive. You know, being male and everything.

Yes.

It's like me pretending to be a man, and deciding that, because I can't get an erection, that I know what it is like to be a man suffering from erectile distinction. I wouldn't have the same hormones, societal expectations, biological drive, sense of masculinity and "what it is to be aman" etc etc. yes Incan love my life "as a man" call me Fred etc but I only know the experience of being a woman pretending to be a man. And for me to say "this is how men must feel" is ignorance.

We are reluctant to discuss the effects that breastfeeding has on attachment and brain development of babies and the hormones of mothers for fear of the impact this might have on women who cannot breastfeed or on fathers, who do not share this function.

Healthy attachment is supported by breastfeeding and the hormones impacted in mothers serve the purpose of facilitating them to be attached mothers. It is not the only factor, but it is part of our design in the same way that the increase in oxytocin in males when they hold their babies also builds that capacity for attachment. We are also reluctant to discuss the fact that primary attachment is with the female parent, for fear of causing harm to those who are unable to perform this for whatever reason that may be. Only in extreme and cruel situations do we ever test this 'hypothesis' because of the potential harm to babies.

I'm sorry you found it isolating.
I bf both DC - stopped with the first when she bit me (drew blood) at about 11 months - i was pregnant then so it was ok for me to stop, it was DC decision i felt.
I bf DC2 until about 18 months, then a bit longer just to settle for bedtime.

Not one second of that was about me. Even though I knew there were benefits to me, in terms of recovery from birth etc, they were very much secondary benefits. And if I'd thought for one second it would be better to stop, reduce or whatever - i would have done it in a heartbeat.

That professionals write about it being good for the trans woman in terms of gender identity? just reinforces the narcissistic tendencies.

@LentilFaculties ... your posts are beautiful and touch on topics that make me cry... thank you.