"Human Milk" ffs

Meanwhile, hospitals near me (not UK), have issued directives counselling against the use of fennel tea, one of the oldest medicinal herbs in the world, because of a potential to cause liver cancer.

So men can feed their babies with milk created by the use of artificial hormones and restricted drugs but women shouldn't drink fennel tea.

(Decree originally issued by the European Medicines Agency in 2013, there have been many articles disputing the conclusions... I have no idea what has triggered these hospital directives because up until this year, most breastfeeding women have been advised to drink fennel tea and it is often offered to babies with several sources suggesting this from one week old.)

Yes, it pulls no punches.

That's a great letter.

And Bosky is right. It would indeed help safeguard children affected if mumsnetters could contact their MP.

From Bosky on the other thread but not posted here yet (thanks Bosky) :

This article by Children of Transitioners is shocking! NHS Safeguarding is deliberately ignoring information that COT has brought to its attention. This needs to be raised in Parliament.

COT wrote to NHS Safeguarding nine months ago about the NHS promoting and enabling sexual and physical abuse of babies and psychological abuse of older children of transitioners and have still not had a reply!

See full article to read email to NHS Safeguarding - it contains terms and information that would probably get this post deleted:

https://childrenoftransitioners.org/2024/02/22/safeguarding-concerns-in-the-nhs/

Sorry the link above goes to the wrong page. This is it.
https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/02/19/trans-women-breastfeeding-explainer-research/

‘ In fact, we know that trans women can successfully breastfeed their children – and that the milk they produce can, at the very least, be just as nutritious as that produced by the birthing parent. ‘

this from pink news.https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/02/19/trans-women-breastfeeding-explainer-research/

oh look, the milk they produce can, at the very least be just as nutritious as that produced by the birthing parent.
so they are even better at producing milk than us.

!

I've commented to the effect that he doesn't know the difference between HRT and cross sex hormones and hope that he isn't a practising doctor.

I've saved all his "notes" as I suspect the block button to be used freely soon.

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Oh my giddy, have you seen this chump who has corrected Milli Hill's article in favour of men's breastfeeding •with notes•?!

x.com/gideonmack/status/1761038304240193946?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/when-trans-rights-trump-babies-rights/

Leo Kearse: "Saying artificially stimulated milk from a man's nipple is as good as natural milk from a mother is like saying cocaine is as good as going for a run because they both make you sweaty"

The secretion provided by the man in that one study was not produced in the laboratory. He brought it in, in a pot. There was no testing to check it actually came from him and not his wife.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1760391430369947675.html

I used Milli's article as the basis of my complaint to the BBC. Thanks to Milli for demonstrating the journalistic curiosity we should expect from our national broadcaster.

We still don’t really know what is happening.

Taking it all at face value, the impression given by the BBC and other reporting (regardless of political bias) is that men are routinely being given hormones to induce breastfeeding in NHS hospitals and that evidence suggests that this is safe and as nutritiously valuable as milk produced by a woman after pregnancy.

However it’s also possible (much more likely?) this is not a service provided by the NHS.

I would make an assumption that the lack of relevant studies (only one) suggests a lack of suitable available subjects for study. (If they exist, I don’t like to think of the circumstances that would surround unsuitable subjects).

I’m very grateful to Milli Hilli for doing the research and putting her head above the parapet - but in the circumstances isn’t that the job of paid journalists?

Yes this, I was going to share, it’s broken down really well by Milli

Milli Hill is a superhero!!

@LassoOfTruth it's happened to many of us even when raising safeguarding concerns. But thank goodness for mumsnet, letting us talk.
And i know there are a couple of cots on here who really appreciate women speaking up.so thanks for being brave!

Yes. So it is stonewalled organisations that won't face reality even though it is a safeguarding issue. BBC, NHS, SWE, NSPCC, NHS, some Political parties- remember Lib Dems and greens protecting Challenor who abused a 10 year old girl in his house, and the Labour activist who yelled in a babies face....

My comment got deleted, presumably because I mentioned the thing (male sexual interest) that we’re not allowed to mention. Mea culpa. But this has got me very upset today, maybe because I’ve not long stopped breastfeeding my own toddler. These “parents” are, at best, not well. And the baby is seemingly just a prop in their bizarre self-experimentation. It’s child abuse. That’s my view, as a mother, and I find it extremely sad that I can’t express that on a forum for mothers (yes I know MN isn’t just for mothers).

Most comments under the mainstream media articles are fully aware that of the likelihood that it's a fetish.

And I've seen a definite sea change in the fact that people are now voicing it.

They would be too petrified to bring it up before.

Now they are.

This has been argued before on previous threads.

..and if you dare not talk about it, you can't safeguard children.

Absolutely.

That letter from the trust effectively dismissed it and told the COT that they, the trust, knew better than the children who had direct experience. The lack of symmetry is again very clear. Believe a special group, dismiss the voices of the people that special group harmed.

But at all time, centre special group. While gaslighting the rest of the population.