Gender surgeon saying the quiet part out loud

Watching I am Jazz is pretty disturbing, I can't quite believe it's on TV. The surgeons are pretty open about the experimental nature of it all. Poor Jazz. The parents express doubts and were not prepared for the experimental nature of it, nor the horrendous (and easily predictable) complications. At one point the surgeons are filmed arguing about incisions during surgery, on a child's genitals. How this doesn't breach all kind of medical safeguards and ethics I don't know. But obviously it's too late now, there's no going back. So on they go. It's heartbreaking watching it.

Dr Phil is a Republican though (he is cagey about admitting it, but does acknowledge he is conservative), so he isn’t breaking ranks.

It would be awesome if he could bring Oprah to the GC fold though.

Dr Phil, of all people, has spoken out against gender affirming care.

JUST IN: Dr. Phil calls out gender affirming care and warns of the long term impacts of pushing transgenderism on children.

America needs more of this Dr. Phil.
“It's interesting. They choose words like, gender affirming care. That's interesting that they call it that. But really what they're talking about is hormonal therapy or s*x reassignment surgery on children,” he said to Joe Rogan.

“When I ask about that… then they immediately label you as transphobic.”
“If you look at the long-term consequences, if someone changes their mind at 10, 11, 12, 13 years old… they can't decide which pajamas they wanna wear at night.”

“Their reason for doing it is it stops this drive for suicide. That there's a suicide epidemic. It doesn't fix that.”

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1760036025718714850?t=aZ1nKPGEIQJ6Ki58FS5IBA&s=19

Yes, just kids! Like it says, it's heart-breaking. The 'surgeons' who carry out these procedures are bloody criminals in my book. They are no different to 'cultural' FGM butchers.

Oh, that sub is a real horror show, I feel so sad for those poor people.

All victims in their own way of all this nonsense.

I remember reading about this case at the time. I'm sure there was something about why they went for transplant rather than phalloplasty in the article I read, but I haven't found that in my search just now.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/articles/2018/04/first-ever-penis-and-scrotum-transplant-makes-history-at-johns-hopkins

Of course, the text in the linked article states: 'There are no immediate plans to use the procedure for gender reassignment operations.'

I wonder how many people are hoping that transplants become available as part of gender affirming care in the future?

The Reddit r/phallo sub is eye opening and not in a good way. It’s not for the faint hearted. I don’t know what’s worse: the people who realise things have gone wrong, or the ones who are pretending it hasn’t.

https://www.reddit.com/r/phallo/s/mWHPvEntfR

That's heartbreaking to listen to. It's almost as if these women weren't accurately informed about the experimental nature of their surgery and the many complications that can arise. I'm certainly not seeing any trans euphoria going on in that video.

'First do no harm.'

^Well that's truly been thrown in the bin now. I've looked into the complications previously and the word 'necrosis' is mentioned an alarming amount of times. It is just so fundamentally wrong to take a healthy body and do these surgeries when they are so brutal and the complications - which are common - are so horrific. It's not evidence based medicine and is therefore substandard compared to other areas of medicine.

Rights of Passage and Demonstrations of Faith often involve some sort of endurance challenge or physical process which involves pain.

This is everything from barefoot pilgrimages, cross carrying, coming of age ceremonies, to outdated idea that women must suffer during child birth.

These are all cultural and religious beliefs which can often mired in harmful and sometimes dangerous beliefs.

Just saying.

They're all so young 😔

Transmen talking about complications

https://twitter.com/atheistathenian/status/1759727209982345507?t=90Ac1cKT7nw8n9b8MTNXkA&s=19

Transwomen in their own words. Horrible stuff. (Video in link.)

https://twitter.com/atheistathenian/status/1759731181874975172?t=P_ou3tKuzYYqmZGzAN6Giw&s=19

Christ that’s awful

Thank you OldCrone that was exactly the one I was thinking of.

'Biological reality' isn't an irrelevant optional extra. It's a source of great anguish to many people - great enough to drive us to seek out drastic surgical routes toward addressing our physical dysphoria despite knowing they have a significant chance of complications.

Then wouldn't it be better if the dysphoria was addressed mentally, rather than physically?

The phrase 'born in the wrong body' has such a lot to answer for😟

Does anyone remember the source of the article/commentary that to care about babies being damaged by drugs passed to them by parents who were of TQ+ identities was 'ableist' and we should embrace life long damage to children rather than expect a special group of adults to deal with boundaries to their wishes?

Was it this one? (One of the authors is Sally Hines, so the content is unsurprising.)
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2667321523000811?via%3Dihub

Thread from last year.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4851765-this-is-outrageous-medical-paper-argues-that-wanting-healthy-undeformed-babies-should-be-queered

"The authors argue that “gendered” pregnancy care is too focused on helping women have healthy babies, and that it might be okay for transmen to continue taking testosterone during pregnancy despite the known health risks to the fetus and effects on its normal development. The desire for “normal fetal outcomes,” according to the authors, is rooted in a problematic desire “to protect their offspring from becoming anything other than ‘normal’” and “reflect historical and ongoing social practices for creating ‘ideal’ and normative bodies."

https://www.realityslaststand.com/p/is-there-a-doctor-in-the-house

Does anyone remember the source of the article/commentary that to care about babies being damaged by drugs passed to them by parents who were of TQ+ identities was 'ableist' and we should embrace life long damage to children rather than expect a special group of adults to deal with boundaries to their wishes?

Edited to add: as someone who lives 24/7 with pain, immobility, infections and all that goes with it, if I was told it was caused directly by parental damage knowingly and by choice and I should embrace that because it enabled a parent to do what they wanted with no responsibility (and calling it ableism enables them a bit more in having no responsibility)..... I'd tell them they were insane and the parent in question should have lost their parental rights to social services. No one should have to live all their lives with illness and disability because of parental choice to do it to them.

Not strictly true - some areas do use it with caution, but your general point stands: the baby's welfare is paramount - except if there are some men with hurty feelings.

Workhardcryharder · Today 13:20

Is this the same as breast milk from a woman who hasn’t given birth?

Honestly, I don't know but as women's breasts are actually for lactation, I'd speculate that it was much better.

Excellent and fundamentally important question.
Any chance a TRA will answer it?

Is this the same as breast milk from a woman who hasn’t given birth? For eg I’ve seen it on instagram, a lesbian couple who both breastfed the baby, second one induced breast milk with stimulation and medication.
I guess I’m wondering whether it’s the male anatomy unfit for producing or the artificial stimulation of milk production without the correct hormones!

0 is indeed a very small number.