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The kids are alright

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MrSand · 15/02/2024 22:37

I occasionally look at trans groups on Reddit, mostly to expose myself to differing views. Today I noticed two posts which, although depressing in their own way, had bits of good news.

In the first, a 14 year old boy complains about increasing trans hostility from his peers. I suspect this is his misinterpretation of increasing sex-realism.

Hello trans people in my phone, I came out about 2 months ago as trans to close family and friends, but am unsure about what steps to take as a trans girl (14yrs), from what I know the UK is terrible when it comes to trans healthcare for young people and the increasing hostility that people my age have against the trans community makes me feel terrified of social transition. Is there any advice or resources that you have that could help. Thanks.

And in the second a man who plays on a women's football team isn't receiving the validation he had hoped for, either in football-related social spaces or on dating apps:

Young TERFs on the Rise?
I don’t know if you have similar experiences but I’m noticing an increasing amount of TERF rhetoric from lgbt people in “inclusive” social spaces.

Of course I have sympathy to some extent for both of these individuals, but I'm heartened to hear that young people seem less inclined to go along with this nonsense.

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NoMoreFalafelsForYou · 16/02/2024 16:50

My first question is always what form does this "increasing trans hostility" take?

Do you take that stance when it comes to women and girls facing hostility or attacks too?
"My first question is always just what does she mean hostility? What does she mean by "attacked?".
Or do you save that just for people who are trans?

NoMoreFalafelsForYou · 16/02/2024 16:47

Brianna Ghey's death was tragic, but the main cause of it wasn't because she was trans

It wasn't the primary motive, but it was the secondary motive.
The judge has said so as well.
Just because it's not the first motive doesn't mean it wasn't one!!

RandySavage · 16/02/2024 16:38

“In a week where an 18 year old trans girl was stabbed, and Brianna Ghey's tragic death in the news”

Every week is some sort of special trans week. If we didn’t talk about these issues whenever there was some kind of trans awareness/pride/remembrance/allies/tragedy/anniversary … going on we’d have about 30 minutes sometime in October.

FrippEnos · 16/02/2024 16:37

NoMoreFalafelsForYou · 16/02/2024 16:26

Today I noticed two posts which, although depressing in their own way, had bits of good news

In the first, a 14 year old boy complains about increasing trans hostility from his peers

In a week where an 18 year old trans girl was stabbed, and Brianna Ghey's tragic death in the news, how on earth is that "bits of good news?!"

WTF

Edited

Brianna Ghey's death was tragic, but the main cause of it wasn't because she was trans.

titchy · 16/02/2024 16:36

No way was that written by a 14 year old.

FrippEnos · 16/02/2024 16:36

My first question is always what form does this "increasing trans hostility" take?
Is it because the girls don't want someone that isn't going to go through puberty the same as them in the same bathroom?
Is it because some girls can't share the toilets because of religious reasons?
Is it because somebody gets their pronouns wrong?
Is it because someone has told them that they can't change sex?
Is it because someone gets offended at being called 'cis' by them?
Is it because they spend all day moaning about how victimised they are and that no one understands them?
Do they spend all day looking for 'micro aggressions'?

Lets be honest here, when a group start changing definitions and cannot define either themselves or what the hostility is, then they are the problem.

The list goes on.

But from what I have seen most kids (11 - 16) roll their eyes and just get on with life which is also probably hostility towards trans people.

Froodwithatowel · 16/02/2024 16:34

Buying into hyperbole at face value is often not a good idea.

If 'hostility' means 'lack of unquestioning enablement' is it still a bad thing?

NoMoreFalafelsForYou · 16/02/2024 16:30

@unwashedanddazed

I really don't understand how you can describe a 14yr old feeling terrified about hostility from society as being good news
Didn't see your post before posting mine, thank goodness for you

Try not to lose your humanity
Couldn't agree more

NoMoreFalafelsForYou · 16/02/2024 16:26

Today I noticed two posts which, although depressing in their own way, had bits of good news

In the first, a 14 year old boy complains about increasing trans hostility from his peers

In a week where an 18 year old trans girl was stabbed, and Brianna Ghey's tragic death in the news, how on earth is that "bits of good news?!"

WTF

Xiaoxiong · 16/02/2024 15:50

The ideology came into schools as a fad and it will inevitably fall out of fashion. We are starting to see this happen now.

It may be falling out of fashion among the students, but rooting it out of staff training, PSHE lesson plans, posters, clubs etc. is going to take actual effort. I can't think of a parallel equivalent except for something like the whole-word method to teach reading, and that wasn't adopted from the students.

WallaceinAnderland · 16/02/2024 15:15

The ideology came into schools as a fad and it will inevitably fall out of fashion. We are starting to see this happen now.

I see hardly any blue/pink haired college students now, whereas six or seven years ago there was a large cohort.

PatatiPatatras · 16/02/2024 06:27

Because in trans double speak, open hostility means silent recognition that you have a sex not that someone is actively kicking your head in, egging your windows and scratching slurs into your car.

We are not losing our humanity: the constant retranslation is tiresome.

unwashedanddazed · 16/02/2024 00:57

I really don't understand how you can describe a 14yr old feeling terrified about hostility from society as being good news.

I hate this ideology and what it's doing to young people.

Try not to lose your humanity.

WallaceinAnderland · 16/02/2024 00:09

I've seen people complaining that GC beliefs is classed as a belief at all. They are annoyed that this gives GC people protection and are also annoyed that they cannot discriminate against GC beliefs.

The thing is, we would never have had to get it classed as a belief if they hadn't changed the meanings of words in the first place.

Sex in mammals being binary and either male or female was just a fact until TRAs forced us to make it into a belief.

SpicyMoth · 15/02/2024 23:29

I occasionally will check out r/MtF just to see if there are any new arguments/anything that will change my mind on a given aspect - It always depresses/grosses me out.
The vast vast majority on there is either along the lines of medical transition complications (the depressing part), or very overt AGP tendencies & posts (the grosses me out part) - very little in between and lots of lying to one another.

More rarely (as Reddit is very quick to push down/hide these types of threads) you might see a post where someone feels they've been lied to about medical transition and they feel betrayed by the community.
My heart bleeds for these people - I just want to give them a hug and tell them it'll all be okay even though realistically there's very little anyone can do to help aside from "be there" for them.
Some of them are so so young to be going through such turmoil and medical malpractices for want of a better turn of phrase, it's genuinely heart breaking and I feel so sorry for them :/