The kids are alright

NoMoreFalafelsForYou · Yesterday 16:47

It wasn't the primary motive, but it was the secondary motive.

The point of it is that it was a secondary motive, not the prime one and many people have been pretending that it was the sole motive, in order to push the idea that transw are uniquely vulnerable and in danger.

In fact, as has been discussed here on numerous occasions, transw are absolutely by far the safest demographic, when it comes to violence. Children under two are far more likely to be murdered, both in absolute numbers and as a ratio of the population.

Surely that's something to be happy about? (Well, not people being murdered, obviously).

"Do you take that stance when it comes to women and girls facing hostility or attacks too?"

To be completely honest, if women and girls were saying these things and the "Hostility and attacks" turned out to be someone not agreeing with their opinion, yes, yes I would, and have also taken that stance.

Someone not agreeing with you is not hostility or an attack, it's a difference of opinion.
Difference of opinion can, does, and has been expressed in ways without hostility or personal attacks.

Anita Sarkeesian for example suggesting that she was being attacked for other's (a lot of which were women) simply not agreeing with her stances on female characters in video games is one that stands out most in my mind.

What's a 'trans kid'?

Which trans kids is that? Or are we suppose to lump them all together?

Every single adult on earth has been through puberty.
We all know the angst is real.
Adults turning that angst into paranoia is a safe guarding failure for children who want to transition.

Quite surprising, considering the deluge of media portraying 'trans' kids' journeys, endless first-person stories by 'trans' kids and their parents, non-stop 'education' on the matter and outlets eager to uncritically amplify any & every opinion those people have.

If only there was as little information about what it's like to be a black kid, a poor kid, a disabled kid ... or even a girl.

You evidently have no idea what it is like to be a trans kid.

I'd rather chew my own arm off than read Reddit but some of us absolutely do call out predators within our own community.

Unfortunately we no longer have accurate language to inform us. ‘Hostile’ could mean no one will admire his shaven legs and long hair, or it could mean being pushed around and having his head flushed. The language no longer differentiates.

Quite. The trans movement cried wolf.

Maybe this is a real wolf. Maybe it's a kid who's heard everyone shouting about wolves and is scared. Maybe he's standing in a field of sheep thinking they're wolves because his online friends say that's what wolves look like.

That's one of the (many) things I hate about the ideology, the persistent reinforcement that they are the most vulnerable, oppressed, and vilified group in society. It's no wonder gender confused kids are scared of the world, they're constantly told they ought to be.

Three 15/16 year old lads have been stabbed to death in my city in the past couple of weeks, but no national candle-lit vigils for them. Working-class boys don't warrant that sort of attention apparently.

This I can’t agree with.

The problem is that TRAs love to push the lie that lots of people hate them and want them to die. A bit like you are rather insidiously trying to do here.

That is why that young person feels scare. They aren’t actually reporting any RL experiences, just that they have been told there is lots of hate and hostility. Adults are pushing this narrative for their own agenda and don’t give one crap about the kids they are terrifying with it.

I agree. The trans lobby love to push the narrative of terrible hostility to trans people and that there are cohorts of people ( us, apparently) who hate them and want gbdm to be killed.

It’s one of the most disgusting aspects of this movement that they actively want vulnerable children to believe this.

Reddit is actively and heavily moderated to remove gender critical opinion so it always surprises me when posts querying gender ideology are allowed to remain.

In the real world, things are quite different. Kids aren't swallowing it completely, and are just as critical as grownups.

In my DD's London secondary school, kids who identify as trans aren't hated, but they are pitied. It isn't cool to identify that way, and they become isolated because other kids don't want the drama of constant flare-ups over every perceived slight, and the lack of support they will receive from teachers and the SLT.

Trans-identifying kids aren't isolated because they believe themselves to have changed sex per se. But the other kids also don't believe it, they are forced to be kind.

The absolute batshittery on some of the trans subreddits really is something. Hormone therapy makes them lose inches off their height and alters their bone structure, they are weeping messes when they have their period.
I have noticed though that they NEVER call out the trans predators Though.They don't do themselves any favours at all.

And girls and women realising that they are being expected to accept sexist gender roles to validate a male person's sexist beliefs about how women live.

Bloody hell this is awful. What on earth is going on in the world.

And therein lies the problem of changing the meaning of words to suit a political ideology to the point that we can no longer communicate with each other. It’s getting to the point where it’s as if we are speaking 2 different languages.

Hostility in this sense probably just means the refusal of society (or in this case the child's peers) to believe that boys can become girls or a girls can become boys. In the same way genocide has come to mean women challenging the idea that men should be making use of women's changing rooms or single sex spaces.

I have a 16yo daughter. We clashed on this issue massively when she was 14 and questioning her own sexuality. She joined an LGBT youth group (thinking she was either lesbian or bisexual) and found herself that the emphasis was all on the "T". She thought I was a nasty bigot for saying that it wasn't possible to change sex, that I found gender stereotyping sexist and regressive, and my views on trans identifying men in women's sports, politics, business, prisons, hospitals, bathrooms etc were old fashioned and "mean".

I'm happy (and proud) to say that by just having open conversations, presenting facts, and being patient - rather than ramming my opinions down her throat, which is what I felt like doing at times - she's realised herself what a nonsense this whole ideology is. What's helped, is that her generation has literally been given enough rope to hang themselves. They've been given the complete freedom to identify as opposite sex, then animals, trees, and because no adult has actually stepped in (probably out of fear) and told them what a load of nonsense it is, her and her peers have reached that conclusion all by themselves. There are kids in her year (year 11) who identify (or did) as opposite sex, non binary, a tree, cats, puppies and even a fucking alien. It's the kids themselves who've actually come to the conclusion it's all a bit ridiculous. There's loads of terfs now in her friendship group.

Her older siblings, however, still think I'm a Terf.

Ah not murdered. Stabbed multiple times. I’m sure the circumstances will be revealed at some point.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/14/transgender-girl-stabbed-14-times-attempted-murder-harrow/

I’m torn. It’s good news if it results in that child riding out this feeling of discomfort with being male and progressing to a healthy adulthood.

If it results in trans people being stabbed- I believe another young trans woman was murdered yesterday- then it’s appalling.

Unfortunately we no longer have accurate language to inform us. ‘Hostile’ could mean no one will admire his shaven legs and long hair, or it could mean being pushed around and having his head flushed. The language no longer differentiates.

I take that stance because of the "literal violence" statement by trans activists/People.
And that trans activists have shown themselves to be violent, hostile and out to find ways to be oppressed.

As for the rest its an unrelated point and whataboutery that has nothing to do with the thread so lets not derail.

'Increasing trans hostility' will be people refusing to allow themselves to get dragged into the delusion that it's possible to change sex.

I think that it's entirely sensible to research into the hostility and attacks that women and girls face. Mainly because a lot of it is ignored and treated as the norm. Such as the misogyny and sexual harassment in schools. The more investigation into it the better.

Regarding an anonymous post on an anonymous forum, yes, I'd want to know more about the issues that this apparent child apparently faces. Actually no, scrap that. If I genuinely thought it was a child then I'd advise them to seek advice from appropriate adults in real life, not continue to ask for help from strangers with unknown motives online.

I didn't say that being trans wasn't partially the motive, I said that it wasn't the main motive.
The judge also didn't define the being trans as the secondary cause either.
The judge said that Jenkinson was hostile towards Brianna due to her trans status.
But lets not forget that there were other targets that were not trans and not so easy to get by themselves,