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Get back in your box women, you're a right wing animal if you think men should be kept out of sport. "Why have rightwingers made even parkrun a battleground for trans people?"

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AlphariusOmegron · 14/02/2024 09:19

Right wingers, meant as an insult, are to blame for ruining Park Run, not men in frocks.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/feb/14/why-have-rightwingers-made-even-parkrun-a-battleground-for-trans-people

Complain here:
https://www.theguardian.com/info/2014/sep/12/-sp-how-to-make-a-complaint-about-guardian-or-observer-content

Voices must be heard, even if this is an opinion piece. This mad ideology only continues whilst we allow it and not speaking up is a CHOICE to allow it to keep happening.

Why have rightwingers made even parkrun a battleground for trans people? | Jonathan Liew

When non-competitive, mass-participation jogging is annexed by the culture warriors, it’s clear there are other agendas at play

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/feb/14/why-have-rightwingers-made-even-parkrun-a-battleground-for-trans-people

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BlackeyedSusan · 15/02/2024 10:13

Froodwithatowel · 15/02/2024 09:03

Exactly. It really illustrates that this is a political movement that wants reality to be based around feelings (but only a special group of people's feelings, everyone else can either enable nicely or get to fuck) rather than facts.

The hyperbolic manipulation and misrepresentation to play on people's sentimentality is getting more teenaged by the day. It's verbal door slamming and flouncing with shouts of 'you've never loved me!' when you're left standing there muttering "I only said could you put your mug in the dishwasher".

Thankyou

EasternStandard · 15/02/2024 10:11

RoyalCorgi · 15/02/2024 10:07

I'm still laughing at the description of Policy Exchange as "mysterious".

What's mysterious about them? He makes it sound as if they are some sinister organisation backed by foreign actors set on undermining the British state. As opposed to a bog-standard think tank who have published an entirely reasonable, well-researched report on women's participation in sport, with endorsement from Martina Navratilova, Daley Thompson and Sharron Davies.

Who's going to tell Daley he's a gullible idiot being exploited by this sinister right-wing organisation? Surely Jonathan Liew would be the ideal person to do it. I would love to see how that conversation goes.

What’s mysterious is how we got the place where someone who writes like this is encouraged to

RoyalCorgi · 15/02/2024 10:07

I'm still laughing at the description of Policy Exchange as "mysterious".

What's mysterious about them? He makes it sound as if they are some sinister organisation backed by foreign actors set on undermining the British state. As opposed to a bog-standard think tank who have published an entirely reasonable, well-researched report on women's participation in sport, with endorsement from Martina Navratilova, Daley Thompson and Sharron Davies.

Who's going to tell Daley he's a gullible idiot being exploited by this sinister right-wing organisation? Surely Jonathan Liew would be the ideal person to do it. I would love to see how that conversation goes.

NoMoreFalafelsForYou · 15/02/2024 09:57

@GrammarTeacher

ParkRun is now back to its roots. The records don't matter. You should only be competing against yourself. ParkRun is a run for everyone

Completely agree, well said

CatDogGuineaPig · 15/02/2024 09:40

I've complained, and finally cancelled my subscription, the article is absurd as well as offensive. Right wing my arse.

frazzled1 · 15/02/2024 09:12

Complaint sent. Thanks for highlighting.

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Emotionalsupportviper · 15/02/2024 09:03

EsmaCannonball · 14/02/2024 20:03

To be fair, I have twice accidentally sent an email when I have leant across my laptop and my nipple pressed the send key.

😂

My boobs have never been big enough to accidentally do anything like this - except when I was breastfeeding, when they were like footballs, but I was too exhausted to even with the computer on in this halcyon days.

Froodwithatowel · 15/02/2024 09:03

theilltemperedclavecinist · 15/02/2024 08:57

It's alternative facts. Stopping TWs from recording their times as 'women'=banning them.

Exactly. It really illustrates that this is a political movement that wants reality to be based around feelings (but only a special group of people's feelings, everyone else can either enable nicely or get to fuck) rather than facts.

The hyperbolic manipulation and misrepresentation to play on people's sentimentality is getting more teenaged by the day. It's verbal door slamming and flouncing with shouts of 'you've never loved me!' when you're left standing there muttering "I only said could you put your mug in the dishwasher".

Merrymouse · 15/02/2024 09:00

theilltemperedclavecinist · 15/02/2024 08:46

Look at this snippet from today's Guardian First Edition email. First sentence even more inflammatory than the original.

That is just blatantly wrong - Nobody has asked to ban anyone - just for fair categories.

theilltemperedclavecinist · 15/02/2024 08:57

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 15/02/2024 08:50

Is it even legal to have a newspaper article with so many assertions that can't be backed up as fact? If it were in the Opinion section that would be one thing, but it's the Sports section.

It's alternative facts. Stopping TWs from recording their times as 'women'=banning them.

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 15/02/2024 08:50

theilltemperedclavecinist · 15/02/2024 08:46

Look at this snippet from today's Guardian First Edition email. First sentence even more inflammatory than the original.

Is it even legal to have a newspaper article with so many assertions that can't be backed up as fact? If it were in the Opinion section that would be one thing, but it's the Sports section.

Merrymouse · 15/02/2024 08:47

MrGHardy · 14/02/2024 23:37

"Why have rightwingers made even parkrun a battleground for trans people?"

They push gender ideology onto society and then have the audacity to question why 'the right' is pushing back. Same nonsense as claiming the right are just in a culture war - they only can be because the left is pushing all these things, that the right fights against, in the first place.

The irony is that right wingers have only belatedly taken up this issue.

Back in 2019, Sean Ingle was writing about it IN THE GUARDIAN https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2019/jul/22/current-impasse-transgender-athletes, so information was clearly available, but Jonathan Liew was telling women to stop being hysterical and specifically Martina Navratilova that she shouldn’t expect sport to be fair.

But 2019 was also the year of the notorious missing Penny Mordaunt Mumsnet web chat and for years the Tory party line was that ‘so called feminists’ could be ignored. Tories tend to lack interest in rights issues.

The difference now is that the Tories are exploiting an obvious open goal, and Parkrun apparently pay attention to right wing think tanks and their actions affect men. Before that it was just ‘Blah, blah, blah women’

How can we end the current impasse over transgender athletes? | Weightlifting | The Guardian

One side believes women’s sport must be protected, the other that gender identification trumps all. Debate is needed to find a fair solution

https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2019/jul/22/current-impasse-transgender-athletes

theilltemperedclavecinist · 15/02/2024 08:46

Look at this snippet from today's Guardian First Edition email. First sentence even more inflammatory than the original.

Get back in your box women, you're a right wing animal if you think men should be kept out of sport. "Why have rightwingers made even parkrun a battleground for trans people?"
MrGHardy · 14/02/2024 23:37

"Why have rightwingers made even parkrun a battleground for trans people?"

They push gender ideology onto society and then have the audacity to question why 'the right' is pushing back. Same nonsense as claiming the right are just in a culture war - they only can be because the left is pushing all these things, that the right fights against, in the first place.

OctopusRule · 14/02/2024 21:45

Thank goodness for MN! I saw this article and my blood boiled!!! So I came here knowing that you fabulous lot would make me feel better.

Also praise be JKR ❤️❤️❤️

murasaki · 14/02/2024 20:33

Haha. I guess he's stopped being a sports journalist and started identifying as one.

PaperWalkAndTalk · 14/02/2024 20:11

A trans woman should've written the article, I would like to ask Jonathan Liew why he thinks it is his right to take the place of a trans woman who would've been better positioned to write such an article.

EsmaCannonball · 14/02/2024 20:03

UltraLiteLife · 14/02/2024 18:29

Who taught you to turn a computer on? I shall have strong words with them, I can promise you that!

I blame the helpful young man who wanted to spread the benefits of IT amongst MNers. Met with appropriate gratitude, of course.

Oh thank GOD you're here! Thank you SO much. I've been using these magic boxes for over 20 years without a CLUE what I'm doing. I remember when the demon known as the internet came into my house. you'd have been about 5 back then. I have been keeping the evil at bay with chicken legs and candles. Thank goodness you've arrived.

Back when my job involved working on these machines all day, I just bashed them with my tits and hoped for the best.

I'm not actually sure how I managed to get on here, tbh. I was dusting it one day and all this stuff appeared.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/parenting/2307274-I-am-everything-you-hate-about-people-on-the-internet-I-am-here-to-help?reply=52533449&utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share&utm_source=copylink

To be fair, I have twice accidentally sent an email when I have leant across my laptop and my nipple pressed the send key.

ErrolTheDragon · 14/02/2024 19:15

Merrymouse · 14/02/2024 18:58

From the article Next you start denying the concept of gender fluidity entirely.

That is just basic feminism!!! No behaviour needs to be categorised as more or less masculine or feminine!!!!

What a sexist ?&()£@@!!!

Who? Not 'gender critical feminists'. Be whatever 'gender' you want.

It's just got bugger all to do with sports, unless it's that the kit for men and women is unnecessarily 'gendered' (rather than designed to fit and be functional on men or women's bodies as apt). Sorting that out should be easy.

Merrymouse · 14/02/2024 18:58

From the article Next you start denying the concept of gender fluidity entirely.

That is just basic feminism!!! No behaviour needs to be categorised as more or less masculine or feminine!!!!

What a sexist ?&()£@@!!!

theilltemperedclavecinist · 14/02/2024 18:54

Merrymouse · 14/02/2024 18:45

I agree, but the point of the article is that the only solution is single sex sport.

Indeed. They have a subversive sub-editor problem...

Merrymouse · 14/02/2024 18:53

From the June 22 Sean Ingle article:

Similar issues are also bubbling under at grassroots level across Britain, with frustrations clear in some quarters as trans women win local races against females. Most sports are also yet to heed the five UK sports councils’ call to either prioritise trans inclusion or safety and fairness for women’s sport. The situation, as its report last year made clear, isn’t helped by the fact the issue remains so toxic.

“Several current female athletes suggested that, although all or most athletes considered transgender athletes have an advantage if they compete in women’s sport, almost no one would be brave enough to discuss this in public,” the report by the Sports Councils’ Equality Group stated. “So it is easier to keep quiet and acquiesce.”

But apparently Jonathan Liew didn’t read it
so is now shocked that women might care about fairness in grassroots sport.

HagoftheNorth · 14/02/2024 18:51

I’m thinking they’ll know which page by now!