Get back in your box women, you're a right wing animal if you think men should be kept out of sport. "Why have rightwingers made even parkrun a battleground for trans people?"

The ‘hate slows you down’ comment jumped out at me too. So pathetic. Women who care about a level playing field in women’s sport are NOT hateful. They don’t want to stop trans women participating in parkrun, they just want them to compete in a third, gender-neutral category, or in the male category.

It is about fair and true results. Men enjoy this basic privilege - they can compare their times against other men and enjoy a bit of fun and healthy competition to motivate themselves on their fitness journey. Why is the women’s category seen as less important?

I got the impression that letter writer was very young. The immature jibe that women who want fair play through not having males in women’s results, should expect their run times to be slower as ‘hate slows you down’ was the sort of comment I’d expect of someone still in statutory education.

I agree. My point is that this isn’t about all trans people.

Name me one record a female trans man has taken from a man? It doesn't exist because of biological differences as well you know. Giving them their own category would be the fairest let them compete against each other.

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The only response in favour of the article is by someone who readily admits to having 'skin in the game'.

Yes, like Emotionalsupportviper, I noticed that the respondent was "name and address supplied." I was surprised as well that any intelligent person could describe Liew's polemic as a "thoughtful piece." I mean, I know some thought went into what he wanted to write, but it's far from what I'd describe as thoughtful; more angry and propagandistic.

<SNORT>

^^

Would that be foreskin in the game?

both figurative and literal

Although if testosterone meant that trans men were actually on the podium, nobody would be suggesting it was fair.

That’s what I mean. This isn’t about trans people as a whole. It’s about some males.

If you identify as a trans man or non binary female your choice is to compete as a man, but at a disadvantage, or to compete as your sex (assuming no performance enhancing drugs) like the Canadian footballer Quinn.

And how many of those actually female trans people are stealing men's records?

I don't think that is a fair assumption to make about trans people as a whole, particularly bearing in mind that some are actually female.

It is exactly the equivalent of the Daily Mail. The left wing progressive version. The guardian whips up hate towards those it has decided are the baddies, just like DM. Readers of neither see how they are manipulated because the people being derided are the baddies. Readers know this because their paper told them they are the baddies.

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"Skin in the game" but neither the courage nor the integrity to stand up and be counted by giving their name.

Impressive.

Edit - constant battle with autocarrot.

Trans people can run wherever they want as long as they don't expect to be recognised as anything other than biological sex they were born. There are so many of them they could have their own category and make trans records. Instead all they seem to want to do is to steal female records and medals.

They also find one of them don't they?

I'm not. But I think the ill-advised Liew piece has done more good than harm.

I wouldn't hold your breath. The gruan has been a TRA bin fire for years and publishing the latest Liew glue fest hardly betokens change on any level.

Well at least the Guardian shows those responses. And hopefully, may perhaps have learnt a little lesson.

The only response in favour of the article is by someone who readily admits to having 'skin in the game'.

Responses here:

Parkrun, trans athletes and fairness to women | Running | The Guardian

I don’t mind that the guardian publishes pieces like Liew’s as long as other opinions are also allowed to be printed. I thought it was shit and clearly betrayed his lack of understanding that women are people too, but I think the principle remains that it’s fine for a paper to publish differing view points.

The problem is when certain perspectives become silenced or suppressed.

Its worth pointing out that the only newspaper which has a readership which is majority female, is....

....the answer might some, but it is The Fail.

Also coupled with the idea that any female can now go into a men’s toilet, sports team, changing room safely as long as they identify as being ‘not a woman’ really smashes home the total logic failure of the whole situation.

The 3 letters criticising Liew are very good and worth reading.

the name withheld one supporting Liew misses the point and talks about the value of being able to run alongside trans women, as though the existence of a female sex category precludes this.