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Sunak telling Robin White that biological sex is important live on GB news

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fromorbit · 12/02/2024 21:09

'Particularly when it comes to questions around women's safety and health, biological sex is important.' Parents need to be involved in schools.

Rishi Sunak is asked 'why should LGBT people vote Conservative?'
GB News forum footage here:
https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1757143443111841900

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1757143443111841900

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AdamRyan · 26/02/2024 22:25

The problem with going down conspiracy theory rabbit holes is you end up believing noone because they all seem credible. Whereas the reality is most journalists are professionals and take their job seriously so don't go round spouting off a load of populist drivel without sources, because they don't want to get sued.

AdamRyan · 26/02/2024 22:23

OldCrone · 26/02/2024 21:13

It's not directly relevant to GC concerns but is relevant to why I think GB news is a dubious source of information.

All news sources are dubious sources of information. Have a look at the Scarlet Blake threads. There are people who are only just becoming aware that he's a man because all the news websites and TV channels have been referring to him as a 'woman' and using 'she' throughout. Some of them haven't mentioned anywhere that he's transgender and none are spelling out that a 'transgender woman' is a man.

You can't trust any of them. I don't know why you're singling out this one source.

I am very fed up of this "they are all as bad as each other" nonsense. No they aren't.

No other channels have a bunch of current and former MPs from one party fronting their programmes. No other channels as far as I know are donating to political parties. No other channels are flagrantly breaking OFCOM rules and subject of multiple investigations. No other channels have the word "News' in their title but claim to be a "current affairs" broadcaster to get round reporting restrictions.

That's why I'm singling out this source. And those are all good reasons to do so.

DuesToTheDirt · 26/02/2024 21:25

@OldCrone I completely agree. The major news sources are lying to us about Scarlet Blake. You only have to read the threads on this psycho to see how many people were misled into thinking that Scarlet* is a woman.

*I have no idea what Scarlet's original name was. I've seen Alice Wang as a previous name, but of course that is misleading too. The articles are full of obfuscation.

OldCrone · 26/02/2024 21:13

It's not directly relevant to GC concerns but is relevant to why I think GB news is a dubious source of information.

All news sources are dubious sources of information. Have a look at the Scarlet Blake threads. There are people who are only just becoming aware that he's a man because all the news websites and TV channels have been referring to him as a 'woman' and using 'she' throughout. Some of them haven't mentioned anywhere that he's transgender and none are spelling out that a 'transgender woman' is a man.

You can't trust any of them. I don't know why you're singling out this one source.

AdamRyan · 26/02/2024 19:14

Cailleach1 · 26/02/2024 18:42

Any chance people would copy and paste the actual posts from twitter rather than just posting the link?

You have to have an account now to see anything.

Here you go - I know nothing about Left Foot Forward but this is an accurate summary of the clip I linked

https://leftfootforward.org/2024/02/gb-news-investor-sir-paul-marshall-liked-and-shared-far-right-islamophobic-homophobic-conspiracy-theory-posts/

It's not directly relevant to GC concerns but is relevant to why I think GB news is a dubious source of information. We need actual journalism, not conspiracy theories

GB News investor Sir Paul Marshall liked and shared far-right, Islamophobic, homophobic, conspiracy theory posts

Sir Paul Marshall, one of the biggest and most influential media moguls in the country, is a GB News investor and reported frontrunner to buy the Spectator and Telegraph.

https://leftfootforward.org/2024/02/gb-news-investor-sir-paul-marshall-liked-and-shared-far-right-islamophobic-homophobic-conspiracy-theory-posts

AdamRyan · 26/02/2024 19:11

Cailleach1 · 26/02/2024 18:42

Any chance people would copy and paste the actual posts from twitter rather than just posting the link?

You have to have an account now to see anything.

Sorry, its a video so I can't paste the text. I'll see if i can find it elsewhere

Signalbox · 26/02/2024 19:07

Cailleach1 · 26/02/2024 18:42

Any chance people would copy and paste the actual posts from twitter rather than just posting the link?

You have to have an account now to see anything.

The link goes to a clip which has no link but I think it's part of this content on YouTube...

EXCLUSIVE: Could The Telegraph be bought by a political extremist? | The News Agents

Sir Paul Marshall is a Tory donor, hedge fund millionaire, co-owner of GB News and - according to his anonymous Twitter account - amplifier of far right cons...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eci8a1ChXUM

Cailleach1 · 26/02/2024 18:42

Any chance people would copy and paste the actual posts from twitter rather than just posting the link?

You have to have an account now to see anything.

Signalbox · 26/02/2024 17:26

AdamRyan · 26/02/2024 16:49

I posted the link before Anderson ridiculous comments this weekend. You need to watch it for the context but that kind of far right stuff should not be acceptable and not written off as merely "unpalatable".

Would you like to see him arrested for hate speech?

SinnerBoy · 26/02/2024 17:11

Lee Anderson has finally lost the Conservative Whip, for his anti-Muslim comments, including that Sadiq Khan is controlled by Islamists, who have turned London into a Muslim country.

Makes about as much sense as his "You can make a nutritious meal for 30p." Or anything else he's ever said.

Signalbox · 26/02/2024 17:09

Also you forgot to point me in the direction of any evidence that calling for the expulsion of muslims from the UK is mainstream opinion.

Signalbox · 26/02/2024 17:02

AdamRyan · 26/02/2024 16:44

Did you actually watch the link or are you just keen to push a "nothing to see here" attitude about GB news?

I’ve watched it a couple of times. I’m struggling to know what I should be so alarmed about. I’m not pushing any “attitude”. I take all news sources with a pinch of salt (including GB News and the one you’ve just linked).

AdamRyan · 26/02/2024 16:49

I posted the link before Anderson ridiculous comments this weekend. You need to watch it for the context but that kind of far right stuff should not be acceptable and not written off as merely "unpalatable".

AdamRyan · 26/02/2024 16:44

Signalbox · 26/02/2024 15:46

Yes I have. I haven’t seen anyone calling for the expelling of muslims. Who is calling for that? It’s hardly mainstream.

Did you actually watch the link or are you just keen to push a "nothing to see here" attitude about GB news?

Signalbox · 26/02/2024 15:57

AdamRyan · 26/02/2024 15:11

  • the fact he's donated half a million to the Conservatives
  • the fact Priti Patel calls GB news "our friends"
  • the fact he funds GB News and Unherd which are "antiwoke" and post a lot of right wing content I find objectionable
  • liking/retweeting threads about the inevitability of civil war in Europe
  • liking/retweeting information about closing borders and expelling Muslims. (Very obvious parallels with historical events here).

In my opinion before the Internet some of this would be illegal and it still should be. It goes beyond "unpalatable views" and into racism and Nazi-esque tropes.

I'm surprised you don't find it alarming personally.

Why would you be surprised at my lack of alarm? I’ve lived in the world for a number of years now and there is not much about the current situation that I haven’t seen play out before. There’s nothing I can do about it and being alarmed is unlikely to help.

Signalbox · 26/02/2024 15:46

AdamRyan · 26/02/2024 15:12

And yes it is mainstream. Have you been following the news at all the last couple of days?

Yes I have. I haven’t seen anyone calling for the expelling of muslims. Who is calling for that? It’s hardly mainstream.

AdamRyan · 26/02/2024 15:12

And yes it is mainstream. Have you been following the news at all the last couple of days?

AdamRyan · 26/02/2024 15:11

Signalbox · 26/02/2024 11:08

Can you be more specific as to what you find alarming? And what it is you are referring to as mainstream?

Very rich men with unpalatable views have always controlled the media. What is it about this person that makes him so much more worrisome than all the others?

  • the fact he's donated half a million to the Conservatives
  • the fact Priti Patel calls GB news "our friends"
  • the fact he funds GB News and Unherd which are "antiwoke" and post a lot of right wing content I find objectionable
  • liking/retweeting threads about the inevitability of civil war in Europe
  • liking/retweeting information about closing borders and expelling Muslims. (Very obvious parallels with historical events here).

In my opinion before the Internet some of this would be illegal and it still should be. It goes beyond "unpalatable views" and into racism and Nazi-esque tropes.

I'm surprised you don't find it alarming personally.

Signalbox · 26/02/2024 11:08

AdamRyan · 22/02/2024 20:52

Just picked this up off another thread. Am I somehow old fashioned to find this deeply alarming? I still remember the days where Nick Griffin was no platforming for saying this kind of thing, now it's mainstream Shock

https://twitter.com/TheNewsAgents/status/1760732426655912139?s=20

Can you be more specific as to what you find alarming? And what it is you are referring to as mainstream?

Very rich men with unpalatable views have always controlled the media. What is it about this person that makes him so much more worrisome than all the others?

OldCrone · 26/02/2024 11:01

AdamRyan · 26/02/2024 10:56

It looks like it came from here
https://www.transparify.org/publications-main

The UK 2017 publication.

Relevant and up-to-date then.

AdamRyan · 26/02/2024 10:56

It looks like it came from here
https://www.transparify.org/publications-main

The UK 2017 publication.

Publications — Transparify

https://www.transparify.org/publications-main

OldCrone · 26/02/2024 10:37

AdamRyan · 26/02/2024 08:48

Oh and here is another relevant item (from twitter)

https://x.com/miffythegamer/status/1761874931531268265?s=20

Where's that from?

AdamRyan · 26/02/2024 08:48

Oh and here is another relevant item (from twitter)

https://x.com/miffythegamer/status/1761874931531268265?s=20

https://x.com/miffythegamer/status/1761874931531268265?s=20

AdamRyan · 22/02/2024 20:52

Just picked this up off another thread. Am I somehow old fashioned to find this deeply alarming? I still remember the days where Nick Griffin was no platforming for saying this kind of thing, now it's mainstream Shock

https://twitter.com/TheNewsAgents/status/1760732426655912139?s=20

https://twitter.com/TheNewsAgents/status/1760732426655912139?s=20

AdamRyan · 20/02/2024 20:46

I'm not sure what you are getting at Confused. But you know, if there is a problem you can always report me.

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