Sunak telling Robin White that biological sex is important live on GB news

Is there a specific address where all the alleged ‘left wing’ think tanks and lobby groups rent ?
Judging by the evidence a certain poster constantly links, it would appear to be 90 York Way London.

God the Tufton Street garbage. Have people ever looked that road up? It's got flats. I suppose everyone who lives in one is "right wing"? Just a fucking ridiculous line of argument.

I just cross posted this same thing.

I look forward to seeing how all those who use the short hand ‘Tufton Street’ = bad people deal with it then. Or are all the current organisations going to simply change name and change address but continue as they are.

The business is lobbying and policy influence. No concept is too outside of the box, it is their business. That is what ‘think tanks’ do. They go off and produce documents, sometimes with no evidence because it is based on theory and they merely attempt to articulate that theory and conceptualise it for a government to use or discard.

Mostly though, I would suspect with evidence and make recommendations that are relevant to the task they have been hired to do.

Is there a specific address where all the alleged ‘left wing’ think tanks and lobby groups rent ?

Is Tufton Street just an address where groups who want to influence the current government policy, whatever political party is in power, rent space? Will the same groups be labelled ‘left wing think tanks’ with a labour government?

Policy Exhange states this:

“Ideas from at least 24 papers were contained in the Conservative, Labour, Liberal Democrat and Green 2019 manifestos – from social care to education, farming to judicial power.”

Yet apparently even Jonathon Liew uses that phrase ‘right wing think tank’ in his latest article that positions maintaining the female sports category as being a ‘right wing’ ideal while ignoring all the left wing women who started the fight.

It seems to be tribalism is prevalent at the moment and the dismissal of information because someone believes it is tainted because someone has positioned it as a ‘right wing’ source seems just more of that tribalism. I assume Policy exchange will be used by some Labour committees etc under a Labour government because they already have those contacts in place. So I will be watching with interest when the exact same people, such as Liew, will have to report on something the group produces under a labour government.

To the pp who was questioning it, yes, gender ideology is absolutely in schools.

I have two, long running threads about how my DDs primary school is teaching GI, despite promising us that they were not.

A group of parents are tackling this, again.

Last year I was threatened with the police BY THE SCHOOL, for sharing my concerns on a year group WhatsApp chat.

Some schools may be better than others, but it is absolutely in schools.

I think that was the guilt by postcode froth about LGB Alliance having an office in Tufton Street. The neutrality with which people stated their position…

Controversial trans-exclusionary charity the LGB Alliance is renting an office in the Tufton Street nerve centre of Britain's most influential…

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/5050/lgb-alliance-55-tufton-street-think-tanks/

It is really quite confusing when language is used with personal meanings rather than commonly understood meanings.

I know the Mythbusters have been surprising on some issues (I'll draw a veil over that) but I did like this and frequently feel this way about some people's use of language in several spheres.

During an early episode of the über-pyrotechnic television series MythBusters, Adam Savage was busted by the camera crew for misremembering his predictions of the probability of an axle being ripped out of a car, à la American Graffiti. When confronted with the unmistakable video evidence of his error, Adam sardonically rejoined: “I reject your reality and substitute my own.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/adams-maxim-and-spinozas-conjecture-mar-08/

If a left wing think tank took an office in Tufton Street, would its outputs automatically become something Adam could dismiss without reading?

Yes.

Considering there was a post supporting a poster not reading reading past ‘non-partisan’ because that poster believed it was a lie. When the document linked and rejected had cross party endorsement.

Apparently though we are also supposed to believe that the words ‘unfounded’ and ‘prejudiced’ doesn’t apply because that bias is ‘reasoned’? Yet the supposed reason is demonstrably untrue. Meaning that it is unfounded and based on prejudice.

It is really quite confusing when language is used with personal meanings rather than commonly understood meanings.

One of the major issues with trans identities is that the rest of us (having thankfully made it to adulthood before trans became a big thing, not because we're intrinsically "cis") are expected to both

mind our own business

AND

respect trans identities by not deadnaming and by remembering and using preferred pronouns and allow all single sex spaces to become mixed sex and allow all sexed data to become mixed sex data

This is the issue that schools are trying to negotiate. A completely contradictory set of demands.

I think, having carefully studied the evidence of peoples' own posts, that words like "unbiased" and "objective" have now fallen into The Right Side Of History's Evolving Language Dictionary of redefinitions

"I've already said I'll read the recommendations if you start another thread. Let's not derail this one."

So you have not read the document, let alone the recommendations. You are making vague comments about 'Tufton Street' think tanks being not to be trusted as a source of information, all while backing up a poster who rejected the document unread because it was the Policy Exchange.

You seem to making blanket statements about Policy Exchange not be 'non-partisan' while not even checking the document which include cross party endorsement.

And you have repeatedly declared it is not part of this thread when Sunak directly mentions the guidance which these recommendations seem to reflect.

You then state this is 'You are being very offensive to teachers and schools by implying this is a widespread problem with the education system in this country.' When you seem to have no evidence that it is not, just your personal feelings.

You have stated that before the government does anything else, they need to fix the funding issue. Your opinion, which seems to be based on dismissing that this is a very real and immediate issue for many parents. And that it IS happening. Enough that teachers, parents and the union asked the government to issue guidance on this issue that Sunak answered in this very video posted on the OP.

Plus you then declared that students transitioning is 'nobodies beeswax' in the dismissive statement: "Much as you might dislike it, it is none of your beeswax how other parents handle their child's gender identity."

Your posts do not seem to be all that consistent to be honest and have continued to be dismissive of the issue.

1.25 minute forward on the link in the OP.

“Particularly children” - Sunak is talking about the impact ON CHILDREN!

But then... then at 2.25 he talks about "recently publishing guidance for schools about how to deal with these issues in our classrooms. Teachers, unions asked the government to do that. And you will see what I have said reflected in that guidance.”

Exactly what part of what Sunak has said is not relevant to what happens in schools.

The accusation of derailing and denial that this is relevant seems rather dishonest OR an indication that ‘due diligence’ clearly was not done. Perhaps it was because it was on GB News and perhaps it was because it was Sunak talking.

If it is suspected that a child has abusive parents then social services should be involved as well as the parents.

Ideologically driven teachers don't have the right to socially transition other people's children without the parents' knowledge. The parents should always be involved when there is a safeguarding issue, with other bodies (such as social services) also involved when necessary.

No school has been "busy socially transitioning children"

And you know this how? Done your due diligence, have you?

And again, what part of the discussion about protecting children at school is not relevant to Sunak’s answer to White?

Well what a surprise you always bug out when you can't defend your position.

Of course it is others parents business when their child is being forced to share toilet and changing room space with a pupil of the opposite sex just because that pupil has declared a gender identity. It is also others parents business when their children are being forced to partake in a lie and being punished it they do not do so.

You will no doubt have dismissed all the reports by parents of this happening and the impact on their children, deciding that said parents are just right wing nut jobs whose children don't deserve protecting anyway.

No response to my question about the research on which the Policy Exchange report was based, I see.

1. I was not "seeking evidence" i was backing up a poster regarding policy exchange

2. "schools busily transing children" is a very hyperbolic generalisation that I feel is unfair to schools and teachers doing their best in tough circumstances

3. none of this is what the thread is about so I'm out.

Furthermore, if you seek evidence of what's happening in schools with regard to gender, it's hardly necessary to rely on 'The Tufton St mafia'; there is plethora of information out there, not least right here on MN, and much of it sourced from original government data. But there's none so blind as those who won't see.

I believe that it was rejected purely because it was a think tank who might be ‘right wing’.

We have yet to see any evidence of any posters who are warning us about think tanks that they have read the document.

It is when a parent’s own child may be involved. And it also is when a friend asks for advice and information.

Also, are we back to feminists should not campaign for anything unless it directly impacts them?

If one parents decision on how they handle their own child’s gender identity impacts my child’s education/school experience then it is my beeswax.

The Policy Exchange report is based on research "in which Policy Exchange sent Freedom of Information (FOI) requests to a random selection of over 300 maintained secondary schools and academies in England".

Are those posters who reject the report claiming that the researcher/s did not send FOI requests? Or that the schools did not respond to them? Or that responses were received but the schools were lying?

Yes you’re right it does