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How a loophole in UK law helps out anti-trans activists

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IwantToRetire · 11/02/2024 01:58

The Equality Act is being used to attack trans people while protecting those that do so

a loophole in the law which allows GC activists to publicly attack trans people while insulating them from criticism or professional consequences in response. The same loophole leaves trans-people without equivalent protection.

This isn’t the fault of the Tribunal. Judges can only apply the law. In all of the above cases, the employers made errors. The result would probably have been the same even without the more extreme impacts of the law. The fault lies with the politicians, who have chosen to demonise trans people rather than grapple with difficult issues. GC activists like to claim they are oppressed by the “woke minority”.

Second, the law permits GC activists to use intemperate (arguably degrading) language to attack trans people but appears to prohibit criticism in response.

Third, while the law protects GCs from suffering professional consequences for their activism, there does not appear to be equivalent protection for trans people, or acknowledgement of the real violence against them to which GCs contribute.

NB - these are only extracts, not the full arguement from the author - who is a Barrister -Sam Fowles. https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/sam-fowles-loophole-uk-law-helps-out-anti-trans-activists/

Also a Director of ICDR which says:

Provide legislators and officials at all levels of government and devolution with non-partisan, concise, accessible, and strategic advice on constitutional and democratic issues.
https://www.icdr.co.uk/about

I wonder if he understands what non partisan means?!

How a loophole in UK law helps out anti-trans activists

The Equality Act is being used to attack trans people while protecting those that do so

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/sam-fowles-loophole-uk-law-helps-out-anti-trans-activists

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MrGHardy · 28/08/2024 19:13

let me guess:
Second, the law permits GC activists to use intemperate (arguably degrading) language to attack trans people but appears to prohibit criticism in response.

Actually means GC people are allowed to state that transwomen are male and not women by a biological definition and that in return he can't throw insults back and discriminate the people who say that?

RethinkingLife · 28/08/2024 17:43

Snowypeaks · 27/08/2024 10:47

It's GI ideology that makes otherwise intelligent people seem thick.

Edited for clarity.

Edited

Gurwinder Bhogal is on point here about the impact of ideology:

When intelligent people affiliate themselves to ideology, their intellect ceases to guard against wishful thinking, and instead begins to fortify it, causing them to inadvertently mastermind their own delusion, and to very cleverly become stupid.
9:45 pm · 9 Nov 2018

x.com

https://twitter.com/G_S_Bhogal/status/1061011900278980608

Snowypeaks · 27/08/2024 10:47

It's GI ideology that makes otherwise intelligent people seem thick.

Edited for clarity.

Rymeswithpunt · 26/08/2024 15:48

RethinkingLife · 26/08/2024 15:09

I don't understand how someone so thick get so far in life?

SF isn't as you characterise him. As mentioned upthread, Cherry has worked with him as her Junior Counsel. iirc, he's done some good quality environmental work.

Bing a junior member of Cherrie's team means nothing as its the team that would have been appointed not a junior member specifically, as for the environmental work Id have to see actual evidence for that.

The man is thick as mince, and yes has only got as far as he has due to significant class and sex privilege's.

RethinkingLife · 26/08/2024 15:09

I don't understand how someone so thick get so far in life?

SF isn't as you characterise him. As mentioned upthread, Cherry has worked with him as her Junior Counsel. iirc, he's done some good quality environmental work.

Rymeswithpunt · 26/08/2024 14:54

CuntingBunting · 12/02/2024 19:53

Now he's doing an interview from the toilet?!

https://twitter.com/SamFowles/status/1757042360901349453

This man is great, he's a laugh a minute. Excellent value. More please! 😂

He's saying the council of Europe was set up by Churchill after WW2 to make sure 'we could not again decent in to authoritarianism'

But the UK did NOT descend in to authoritarianism during that time, failing to mention this debunks his own argument.

I don't understand how someone so thick get so far in life?

RethinkingLife · 26/08/2024 14:35

Has RMW commented on | fawned on | praised Fowles' performance (as per the previous lamentable encounter with Doyle)?

SensibleSigma · 26/08/2024 14:27

Bookmarked for an opportunity to watch it!

Rymeswithpunt · 26/08/2024 14:10

BettyFilous · 26/08/2024 14:06

Zoolander’s ‘blue steel’ pose comes to mind.

😂I thought exactly the same thing!

I was trying to be grown up and not point it out, but, yeah, kind of says a lot maybe?

Rymeswithpunt · 26/08/2024 14:08

AlphariusOmegron · 11/02/2024 10:19

It’s not a loophole it’s a feature.
trans women are men. This is a protected belief.
humans can’t change sex. This is also a protected belief.

Also, they are descriptions of actual material reality.

Telling that.

BettyFilous · 26/08/2024 14:06

CuntingBunting · 11/02/2024 07:27

Jo Cherry's junior counsel at one point.

And recently on behalf of John Nicolson.

https://cornerstonebarristers.com/barrister/dr-sam-fowles/

Zoolander’s ‘blue steel’ pose comes to mind.

Rymeswithpunt · 26/08/2024 13:55

Vacuous nonentity.

RethinkingLife · 26/08/2024 13:38

I still have no words for the utter mediocrity, yet apparently stellar career, of 35-year old Dr Sam Fowles.

It's astonishing how far good connections, a desirable television presence, and utter self-belief and confidence will get you. That said, he is a talented barrister. He's unaccustomed to being challenged effectively because other interviewers have been more than a little bedazzled by him.

quantumbutterfly · 26/08/2024 13:17

CuntingBunting · 12/02/2024 21:34

I like 'This suggestion is unburdened by evidence'. I'm going to start using that when my DS says he's done his homework.

😂

GailBlancheViola · 26/08/2024 13:04

Thank you nauticant that was indeed a glorious snapping of the bear trap and for an 'intelligent' man like Mr Fowles purports to be to walk right into it makes it even more glorious.

AutumnCrow · 26/08/2024 12:57

Dr Fowles, when asked by Andrew Doyle about censorship, states he believes that it is 'legitimate to derogate from the right to free speech' in order 'to limit misinforming people'.

That proper Aspen Institute stuff right there. It's what Prince Harry is after ('the First Amendment is bonkers'): elite males deciding what is legitimate information and what isn't isn't. And we know from Fowles's potentially libellous article from the New European in February and from Harry's own book Spare - in other words, from their own mouths (metaphorically) - that that very much centres their own preferences and not necessarily the objective truth.

Helleofabore · 26/08/2024 12:37

Thanks Nauticant. That was great.

quantumbutterfly · 26/08/2024 12:35

SinnerBoy · 11/02/2024 04:55

GC activists like to claim they are oppressed by the “woke minority

This translates as: Subjected to illegal campaigns of sustained harassment and bullying.

This guy and the truth are strangers, it would seem. I wonder if he got his law degree from one of those 6 week correspondence courses?

I had hoped the BVQ was more rigorous.

AutumnCrow · 26/08/2024 12:32

I saw this last night after the Sall Grover interview (which was excellent). Thank you so much for the You Tube link so that I can watch it again, @nauticant!

I still have no words for the utter mediocrity, yet apparently stellar career, of 35-year old Dr Sam Fowles.

See also this sickeningly pretentious interview in the New Stateman, firmly situated in the category of 'you couldn't make this shit up':

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/qa/2023/04/importance-democracy-sam-fowles-public-debate-destiny-interview

Here's a sample:

Q: What’s currently bugging you?
SF: That so much of public debate is totally disconnected from the truth.

Sam Fowles: “So much of public debate is disconnected from the truth”

The barrister on Indiana Jones, David Guetta and why you should always go to the bathroom before going into court.

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/qa/2023/04/importance-democracy-sam-fowles-public-debate-destiny-interview

Imnobody4 · 26/08/2024 12:14

That was brilliant, a masterclass.

AlexaAdventuress · 26/08/2024 12:10

Has anyone noticed the uncanny resemblance between Sam Fowles and that other Mumsnet favourite in these pages, Jolyon Maugham? I wonder if by any chance they are related? Maybe they should join forces. Perhaps they already have. . .

MarieDeGournay · 26/08/2024 11:49

Dennis Kavanagh. Dennis Kavanagh. Say it loud and there's music playing, say it soft.... Grin
What a mensch, what a command of argument and language what a takedown of Sam Fowles. No, I'm not jealous in the slightest, I'm quite happy burbling vague ineffective not-very-coherent critiques of things I don't agree with..🙄

Thank you CuntingBunting for making it accessible.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/08/2024 11:46

He really is a piece of work, isn't he? Great work by Andrew Grin

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/08/2024 11:38

That's extremely funny, 😂

nauticant · 26/08/2024 11:22

Updating with a very entertainment youtube link:

Sam Fowles was on Free Speech Nation last night. The topic was free speech and Fowles was up against Toby Young. Andrew Doyle laid a massive bear-trap for Fowles and then gently guided him into it and then sprung the trap (at about 8 minutes in). I'm not a big fan of gotchas but this was glorious.

In case anyone's interested here's an archive link to Sam Fowles' article in the New European which was the basis of the bear-trap:

https://archive.ph/aGi8f

including the highlights of Fowles claiming that LGB Alliance "compared being trans to bestiality" and mentioned Forstater, Allison Bailey, Rachel Meade, Denise Fahmy, Jo Phoenix before stating that "GC activists to publicly attack trans people".

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