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Feeling really low after being honest

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Notfeelingitwasworthit · 09/02/2024 23:07

Training today. Gender identity. I was dreading it. Just keep your head down, I thought, don't say anything.
Then the subject of safe spaces came up and the presenter (they/them) said well it's actually not a problem at all, there are no statistics which show that sexual offences occur on hospital wards or in domestic abuse shelters and the other women are also really cool with it so it's not a problem at all!
I just said that this wasn't really accurate, we know women don't report sexual assaults or inappropriate behaviour, especially not if they think they're going to be labelled as transphobic, and women are constantly told to put up and shut up, so that labelled with the fear of being labelled a bigot OF COURSE won't mean they answer truthfully.
Obviously I was set upon. I tried to stand my ground but people kept going. Not just to my face but with snide comments throughout the rest of the day. I would join a room, everyone would stop talking. Even my closest contacts said 'well maybe you just shouldn't say it' and 'they do have a point'.

It just feels so lonely. It feels like you have a choice between being true to what you believe and having friends. Two of my closet friends would disown me if they knew.
Do I have to lie forever?

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PermanentTemporary · 09/02/2024 23:25

God don't start showing them articles. They don't want to hear it. They know which group they want to be in. Knowing stuff is not going to help them stay in the 'right' group.

Let time pass.

Bristolian79 · 09/02/2024 23:24

Well done for standing your ground. You are right, and you stand for the truth. It really is that simple.

I'd like to thank you for being brave enough to speak out. It's no small thing to raise your head above the parapet. You sound like someone I'd like to be friends with as I value honesty very highly 🙂

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 09/02/2024 23:24

Firstly, give yourself the credit you deserve for being incredibly brave.

And I promise you that many people in the room agreed with you: they just didn't have your courage. Most people who were shitty to you were probably doing it not because they disagreed, but because they are scared. It's siding with the bully, so that they don't pick on you.

Thisisthedawningoftheageofaquarius · 09/02/2024 23:23

Just read your update post - leftie brainwashed men are the absolute worst; from the position of protecting the poor victimised oppressed TW in which they don’t see any incongruity, so they are smug and self righteous.

Thisisthedawningoftheageofaquarius · 09/02/2024 23:20

I’m so sorry you had to deal with this…maybe you could show them the article about the ‘woman’ arrested after penetrating kids from today; despite it never happening…
i think most normal people feel like you but about 10 % are brainwashed Twaw and nothing you say will ever ever resonate so there is no point trying.

PermanentTemporary · 09/02/2024 23:20

What a horrible experience. I think you were brave. Have a virtual hug.

I'm seeing two friends tomorrow and I won't say anything even though they have said mildly GC things in the past. But if they say something actually incorrect I might have to, as you did.

With friends, does it help to just see it as privacy rather than lying? I don't say anything about religion to my brother even though he's very religious and I'm an atheist, we just keep our views private.

Notfeelingitwasworthit · 09/02/2024 23:17

@MarieDeGournay I'm just so frustrated, can no one else see it? I was told that it was my 'privilege' as a ciswoman. I mean, what fucking privilege? How are abused women in a shelter in any bloody position of power due to being 'ciswomen'? Ah yes Sharon who was raped by her stepdad and then entered into marriage only to be physically abused and raped by him, Ah yes what a beautiful powerful position to be in, to be born with a vagina!

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PatatiPatatras · 09/02/2024 23:16

They did exactly what you said would happen. Take heart. You are holding up the mirror but it is heavy

MarieDeGournay · 09/02/2024 23:13

You're right, they're wrong, and i know that that doesn't help how you feel tonight.
You're right, and you're not aloneFlowers