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TERFs and the Irish referendum

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theDudesmummy · 09/02/2024 07:44

Could any kind Irish MNer break down for me the reasoning around how a TERF should be voting in the referendum on 8 March? I am not usually thick but I am struggling to get my head around it, and would also like to explain to fully TERFy DH. (We are British, not Irish yet, not fully steeped in all the ins and outs of Irish politics. We moved here in 2020, and we have the right to vote in referendums here). Thanks!

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elgreco · 09/02/2024 13:54

If they mean cohabitatants they should use that word surely, so clearly they mean relationships that do and don't include cohabitation.

theDudesmummy · 09/02/2024 13:48

@elgreco thanks for the information and perspective. I am trying very much to get up to speed on Irish politics/culture/society etc as we prepare to hopefully actually become Irish citizens next year! It is obviously not always easy to map one's UK politics/social attitudes/understandings onto the Irish situation (although current UK politics has left me politically homeless there).

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Precipice · 09/02/2024 13:48

The wording replacing marriage with enduring relationship is ridiculous. What does that mean?

Not following Irish politics, but my presumption would be that this is opening the gate to greater rights in law for cohabitants. Like in Scotland, where the Family Law (Scotland) Act 2006 gave cohabitants various rights, including a right to raise a claim for up to what they would have got through prior rights as a spouse in intestate succession, to the detriment of the deceased's children.

elgreco · 09/02/2024 13:42

Hi, sorry I was a bit abrupt earlier.
I thought it was important you knew you couldn't vote before writing anything longer.

My reasons are as follows:
The clause mentioning women and mothers in the home has not held me or other women back from working outside the home.
There were laws that did historically but they are now gone.
When actual women wanted rid of this wording 30/40 years ago, nobody gave a fuck.

I am highly suspicious of RODs involvement in this. He fucked women and children over in the mother's and baby home scandal. I dont believe he is doing this for the women!

Ireland has moved with the times but due to the bigger sized families we still have, shorter school days and long school holidays there are still a large ammount of sahms here. We have a much higher rate than most eu countries. I think that this unpaid labour should be respected.

I also object to the vagueness of the whole thing.

This particularly bothers me with the proposed 2nd ammendment.
The wording replacing marriage with enduring relationship is ridiculous. What does that mean?

theDudesmummy · 09/02/2024 08:45

HI, thanks for the replies. My DH clearly had the wrong end of the stick, he told me we could vote in it and I didn't check! Sorry about that. Oh well, we are eligible to apply for Irish citizenship next year, roll on 2025!

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Dublincailin · 09/02/2024 08:29

Big fat No, no,no.

The social welfare system already provide a financial safety net for carers etc.

That mother at home is lovely clause it is the only place in modern Ireland that recognises the work mothers do at home.

Our tax system is designed that both parents are encouraged to work.

And to be blatantly honest anything Roderick O'Gorman (minister of made up letter salad) is behind is damaging to women.

celticmamabear · 09/02/2024 08:19

No, you have the right to vote in Dáil and local elections , you don't have the right to vote in referendums unless you're an Irish citizen, so you don't need to worry about this one at all

Astridspuzzle · 09/02/2024 08:17

Hope you are enjoying being in Ireland. I moved from Ireland to Scotland in 2007. (I miss corned beef 😁)

PegasusReturns · 09/02/2024 08:16

You should be voting No.

essentially a consequence of the not in reasonable attempt to broaden the language around support for families and carers has resulted in a proposal to remove the word woman and the specific rights afforded women in the constitution. It’s seen as an attempt to strike the words woman and women from the legislative framework.

You can’t vote in the referendum unless you’re an Irish citizen.

Astridspuzzle · 09/02/2024 08:15

All Irish citizens who are on the Register of Electors, the Postal Voters List or the Special Voters List can vote in a referendum.

www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government-in-ireland/elections-and-referenda/types-of-elections-and-referendums/constitutional-referendum-in-ireland/

elgreco · 09/02/2024 08:13

You need to be an irish citizen.

elgreco · 09/02/2024 08:11

Sorry but I don't think you do have the right to vote in referendums.