Andrew Doyle

I was up very late, and reading the thread in question but not with the caps attached earlier or those same comments happening live. He said he's had a lot of comments from gay men alleging homophobia from GC accounts. He said he wouldn't be GC anymore then, a few times. Interspersed with this was:

Anti-feminist commenters getting digs in alleging feminist misandry - Billboard Chris was one.
Many comments objecting to the use of she/her for Hayton. Assertive but not phobic, but coupled with the actual homphobia in other comments, a tipping point may have been reached 🤷🏻‍♀️

I feel he's had his buttons pushed - hours of pushback about pronouns for Hayton, heard he was disparaged in a Spaces, was definitely commented on about being block-happy, but not rudely. I feel I read someone wondering whether GC antipathy to surrogacy was what he meant as classable as homophobia. All gone puff in the morning.

Something tells me the zealots have found the wind is no longer blowing one way and they are now cleansing themselves of their past sin.

Religious nuts will follow any god... and throw the first stone with pleasure.

GC feminists have always had a problem with men being called "women", "she" and "her" with good reason.

Are we to stop having a problem with it when it's RW media doing it instead of the Guardian?

Thanks to @ArabellaScott for posting the link to the 4 hour long Twitter space below, for anyone curious.

'Slain and shunned'. Wee bit hyperbolic there.

Yes, purity spirals can happen anywhere it seems.

https://x.com/robbietravers/status/1754595914994327566

Link to spaces.

The screenshots I saw of tweets directed at Andrew Doyle were vile, and of a completely different order to anything I've witnessed in other GC Twitter rows. It was the kind of abuse you hoped had died out years ago. I hope he's ok.

thanks for articulating what I feel @Datun
I get so frustrated by the "good trans", "real trans" narratives and do worry when people don't see what is blindingly obvious
Men like "Debbie" Hayton worry me more than any unhinged TRA
And I will judge the likes of Stella O'Malley et al for entertaining these bloody men- they're putting my daughter at risk with this ridiculous fawning
I don't know what's happened re Andrew Doyle- obviously homophobic slurs are not ok

If anything, I would've thought that Andrew Doyle was targeted, precisely because he has done so much work.

I don't agree with him calling Hayton she, but that doesn't undo everything he's done!

A lot of women believe that DH has manipulated people into calling him she.

It's raging inducing when people don't see it.

That's got fuck all to do with hating men, and calling Andrew Doyle, of all people, homophobic slurs.

I can't imagine a single woman on here ever doing that. Christ, loads are homosexual themselves, loads are married to men, and loads have sons.

It's not a man hating hot bed of homophobia.

Abuse is wrong whoever does it.

People who abuse others whatever the pretext are sad bullies.

I don’t recognise the style of the women who discuss things round here in those tweets. The tone is different from the voices you hear on FWR. Those abusive people may be GC, that doesn’t mean they are like us, or us.

I would expect people here to defend anyone against homophobic abuse whether they agree with their views or not.

The homophobic comment came from anon American acc, waldoisgoing, who rants about all sorts of crap and is abusive to everyone. It's not a GC account.

UK anon account, mishythelesbian, posted about hating men, not gay men specifically.

Another UK anon account, ladysolucky, said men are liars. Again, nothing about homosexuals.

They are small accounts with few followers. They are immature nobodies.

The 'self-confessed homophobe', revfemstbeat, is American. Gingrich says she's a GC activist, but she doesn't seem connected to the UK scene apart from commenting on our news sometimes via Twitter. What has that got to do with us? Just block her.

The chat is something else, people who listened deny it was as AD portrays. It will be interesting to find out. Must have been recorded.

I read something here ten minutes ago. I expressed shock that feminists would do that and you came straight in with that being pathetic? Right. Heard and understood.

These have been linked to many times today. Appalling in themselves.

In the early hours, there was a thread about his concern that an X Spaces session had been derogatory, but others say it was not. Today, I've seen it's possibly available to hear again - by a Robbie Travers? And yesterday evening, some had wondered if Doyle uses a mass blocker, and that he had been block-happy in the past.

I’m not sure why you are calling people here pathetic? Why for being shocked an actual feminist would throw homophobic slurs? For asking for proof that it is actual GC feminists or just nasty vicious trolls on social media? I haven’t spat bile at anyone on Twitter. I’m disgusted by anyone doing it.

Yes. I don't agree with calling Hayton "she" but it shouldn't lead to someone feeling compelled to delete social media accounts.

Debbie Hayton is a man though? A cosmetically altered man but still a man.

For the record I’m not on Twitter nor do I believe in attacking g anyone.