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"she probably shouldn't have used NUFC in her twitter handle as it increases the risk the club will take action due to brand association"

She changed her Twitter Handle AFTER she had been reported to the police (no case to answer), investigated (stalked) by the Premier League and banned by the club.

The reason she changed her Twitter handle was to try to evade the small band of men who had been harassing her ever since she accidentally achieved a modicum of fame locally by posting a short video clip of her singing, "You'll never see a Mackem in Milan".

The Premier League Report acknowledges that she was harassed online (by men making lesbophobic comments).

When the BBC tweeted that article the other day there were hundreds of replies and quote tweets verbally abusing her - the occasional death threat too, of course. Many demonstrably false allegations and many, many lesbophobic comments.

Cazpar - threatening to cut up the trans flag? So fucking what!? I suspect she was actually talking about the revolting "Progress Flag" that has appropriated and ruined the traditional rainbow flag that was once the symbol and pride of Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual people.

She does not say "trans people are Nazis" and you know it. You have posted the screenshot. It says, "Trans ideology was based off a Nazi". An ideology is not a person or people.

GreenUp is right. Linzi has explained that that is what she meant.

Who has suffered most and for longest due to this ideology? Lesbians. She is a lesbian.

The hordes of men abusing her on Twitter, I don't believe they give a toss about trans people and I doubt that you do either.

They have just got an excuse to persecute a woman who has had the cheek to be better informed about football than they are, to be popular and, to have gained a small amount of attention and fame with her few-seconds-long video, exuberantly taunting Mackems, fans of NUFCs local rivals, Sunderland. Worst of all, on top of all that, she has the nerve to be that ultimate rejector of men: a lesbian.

Lesbians don't do dick and the ultimate insult is expecting lesbians to accommodate the perverted desires of some men to penetrate them.

What is remarkable is how cheerfully and politely she bats away the rain of abuse and insults.

We also all know what is going on when men repeatedly refer to a lesbian as "he" and "him". It's not "misgendering". It's that age-old homophobic slur, that lesbians do not deserve to be regarded as women because they refuse to be fucked by men.

The revolting misogyny in that attitude is baked-in to trans ideology so no wonder she rails against it.

Who explains this best? Men who have the effrontery to call themselves women on the basis that their definition of a woman is "being fucked", being degraded and being humiliated by men.

And you come here pearl-clutching that she has joked about cutting up a flag?

HADDAWAY AN SHITE!

I meant Toby Young

He writes idiotic anti feminist bilge.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/here-are-all-the-sexist-tweets-toby-young-has-just-deleted-2018-1%3famp

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3749801-to-think-that-Toby-Young-is-a-nasty-piece-of-work&ved=2ahUKEwi87dCX0uCFAxWiWEEAHTmIBmwQFnoECA0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw38Iog3_EwppB5_8bAhhDRm

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3439537-Toby-Young-on-Trans-preference-falsification&ved=2ahUKEwi87dCX0uCFAxWiWEEAHTmIBmwQFnoECA4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1H8lsog9LuGHIdi2OL45fn

The screenshots you posted in the message I responded to didn’t mention cutting up the trans flag (though not liking the trans flag isn’t the same as not liking trans people, the flag is the symbol of a political group - just as the suffragette colours are the colours of a political group and not actually a representation of all women) or Nazis so I wasn’t addressing those claims. I was, as addressing the content of the screenshots you posted.

In those tweets the “perverts” she’s talking about appear to be particular people that were mentioned previously.

My assumption is these people who do not in Linzi’s opinion have anything in common with the LGB movement. Who are looking for legitimacy for a wide variety of sexual practices that now seem to be being adopted under, particularly, the “queer” label but also to the “trans” label that Linzi (and many others) see as fetishes and perversions and not at all in the same boat as same-sex attraction. Hence force teeming.

Nobody should be subjected to Stasi-like investigations for posting about cutting up any flag. You are welcome to cut up a whole range of flags, even if other people find it phobic. I’m sure worse things have been done to the Israeli flag in recent times.

The problem is you keep using second hand (ie you dont know) screen shots that are clearly part of ongoing threads.

Many posters on here do that. But even if that's the case, I'm not sure what kind of ongoing conversation could justify posting about shredding the trans flag, or calling trans and queer people perverts and fetishists.

One is saying what is regularly said on FWR that LGB has nothing to do with TQ. If that's transphopia then Eden@Aston is right and this whole forum is transphobic.

Except it's not just saying that is it. It calls TQ people perverts and fetishists.

But please do add posts that are directly from Linzi that indicating she is suspect

I have checked and many of these tweets are actually still up on her twitter account. Anyone could go and see for themselves, if you e.g. search her twitter account for "pervert".

Its strange that you are so invested in proving we shouldn't support her.

I don't think it's strange at all that transphobia should be called out, especially when someone is asking for money via a crowdfunder claiming that they're an innocent victim. You can choose to support her if you wish, but if you find it uncomfortable that I'm shedding some sunlight on what she actually said then I can't help.

Twitter is never ever a reliable source of actual info

Has anyone told FWR? Because from what I've seen people love to post links and screenshots from twitter.

What have you got against Toby Jones?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toby_Jones

Her tweet mentions "a Nazi" ie. a single person in history not all/random Nazis.

I assume she was referring to Dr Erwin Gohrbrandt who was a pioneer of transgender surgery in 1930s Germany. He went on to be one of the doctors who conducted "Freezing experiments" in Dachau concentration camp that saw numerous inmates tortured and murdered.

https://bioedge.org/gender/transgender/a-dark-corner-of-transgender-history/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Gohrbandt

I don't personally like the "people with opposite views to me are Nazis" discourse we see a lot of on twitter but it seems here she is likely referring to an actual historical Nazi.

I had missed this before and have two observations:

1. Toby Jones is involved, and he's a twat
2. she probably shouldn't have used NUFC in her twitter handle as it increases the risk the club will take action due to brand association.

NUFC is a private organisation, its up to them how they deal with members. I think it will be interesting to see how the case goes. I don't really like this current trend of "anything goes as long as its not criminal" and will be interested to see how a judge views it. Especially if Cazpar is right about the content of the tweets.

I have an ignorant relative who is a racist and a lifelong football fan who follows his team everywhere. He posts obvious racists memes and comments as do his mates and he even recently told me all immigrants are pedophiles when I tried to put an opposing view yet he has never been the subject of a ban or investigation.

Not sure what those screen shots have to do with the allegations made up thread.

Seriously?

There are many women on here who post comments that might seem to be a bit "strong".

There's strong, and then there's outright transphobic.

And judging by today's tweets someone is like Cazpar is trying to insinuate Linzi has made extreme comments

What part of posting about cutting up the trans flag, comparing them to Nazis, and calling them "vile perverts" is not extreme?

How is posting about cutting up the trans flag, or about Nazis, or calling trans people "perverts" about forced teaming?

I can't believe this obvious transphobia is being dismissed as "oh she's a football fan so she uses coarse language".

Again, those tweets are about the force teeming of all manner of fetishes with the LGB cause. Something that a lot of LGB people have had issues with since things like puppy play and BDSM has been welcomed into the fold.

The language is coarser than you generally find on mumsnet. But having grown up working class and spent a fair amount of time serving football fans, I would say it’s fairly common within large parts of that culture.

That tweet seems to be referring to trans folk who aren’t “noncy nonces” etc. separately (“all my trans friends”).

It seems to have been taken from a thread about a situation of set of people claiming to be trans. Reading it I assume it’s part of a complaint about trans status being able to be used by bad actors (who may or may not actually be trans) to access women only spaces rather than a claim that all trans women are bad actors.

She's also posting GIFs talking about chopping up the trans flag, and drawing comparisons with Nazis.

Here's some more anyway (screenshots not mine).

It's quite clear this is not someone merely stating "I don't believe trans women are women and I believe sex is real" etc.

In the comments you posted, Cazpar, Linzi’s not calling trans people paedophiles etc. Since gender self-ID gives all men (whether they genuinely think they’re women or not) access to women’s changing rooms etc, it obviously lets paedophiles and perverts in. She says all her trans friends are sick of this too.

Edited to correct autocorrect.

We are having to give up our spaces to these men though. Not every man who uses women's spaces is a peadophile but every man who uses women's spaces is no respecter of women or boundaries so therefore is not 'nice' in any way. So I guess I'll be banned now

I'm pretty sure it's the same one.

I couldn't find all the tweets I recall from a couple of months back (I presume she's had a good clear out) but someone else had screenshot these ones.

From the article in the Opening Post

At no stage was Linzi charged by the police with committing an offence, and Northumbria Police, having interviewed her after her supposedly ‘transphobic’ remarks were reported to them, decided that no action needed to be taken.

Are you sure you are thinking of this woman? If so do you have some evidence of her transphobic views as I don't believe I've seen what you are saying she's posted or said in anything about this case.

If this is the case I'm thinking of, she didn't just "express gender critical views".

She called trans people paedophiles, "noncey nonces" (IIRC), freaks, and perverts.

She's outright transphobic, she's not GC.

I'm fairly sure there are a proportion of men who'd prefer all women to be treated exactly as women were treated in the 17th century.

I know what you mean about previously thinking Toby was a twat. I’ve realised that a lot of people that, in the past, I would have labelled as irritating contrarians (e.g.Claire Fox or Brendan O’Neill or Konstantin Kisin or even Jordan Peterson) seem to perform useful functions in society during times of mass groupthink and overreach - they speak against the consensus and challenge authority.

So I’m really glad Linzi has the support of Toby and the FSU - she should never have had her life investigated or been treated so shabbily by either the Premier League or NUFC.