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"She's my Dad"

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Vebrithien · 03/02/2024 06:58

Morning all.

Wondering if anyone can help me out, regarding this book, and any known concerns/complaints about it?

A friend has messaged me, knowing my history of challenging DD's school on their TRA resources. She is concerned that her DC's school has been using this book this week, as part of LGBTQ+ History Month. It is being used with year 4 as part of their reading lessons and she is deeply concerned by the message that it gives out. Especially as the school had previously said that they do not explicitly teach gender identity.

So far, I have found that;

The author is trans and CEO of Trans Pride Brighton. So, not politically impartial.

The dad transitions by painting his nails, growing long hair and wearing dresses. So, confirming, rather than challenging gender stereotypes.

The child in the book polices other children's use of pronouns, regard the dad. This raises issues about children not being able to freely speak.

This could also have the knock-on effect of encouraging denying other children's beliefs and making them feel that they are only valued if they validate by using wrong sex pronouns (linked to the definition of emotional abuse in KCSIE, a child is only valued insofar as they are useful to the abuser).

Is there anything else we can raise? The school celebrates LGBTQ+ History Month and LGBTQ+ Pride Month, but not Women's Month, and only one of the two Disability months.

Anyone care to help draft a complaint, or got any experience of this book?

Thank you!

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Xiaoxiong · 05/02/2024 09:52

Thanks @Vebrithien and I'll let you know how I get on - I feel like I've seen your previous threads as I've on MN since 2010 but got active on FWR when I peaked in 2016 and then doubly peaked in 2019 when I was kicked out of the Lib Dems for questioning Baroness Featherstone's comments about feminists. I never thought I'd be fighting this battle in real life in my own DS's school!! I will search for your threads and take notes so I'm prepared.

Even if there was someone with functional testes and ovaries, that still doesn't mean there is a third sex gamete for humans (or any other mammal) and hence a third sex. Intersex or people with DSDs are not a third sex!

NitroNine · 05/02/2024 07:31

It doesn’t happen locally to me either, but where I live has been doing Black History Month since the 1980s 😁

Social media has made me aware of some UK schools learning about MLK Jr (excellent) “because it’s/for Black History Month” (woeful). And not a caveated “in the US” way; nor

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Vebrithien · 04/02/2024 21:17

Thank you @Chariothorses

Never fear. I, and my fearless mum friends will absolutely speak up.

I was threatened with the police last year, by DD's school, for talking to other parents about my concerns.

We still carried our point!

Hang on a minute, you what??

TheaBrandt · 05/02/2024 06:59

Shocking as the children know no different.

School tried this with dds class so 14/15 pshe lesson. Dd said basically “whatevs but girls need single sex spaces”. Other girls all agreed. As did the teacher. Job done.

Keep your home education on this up it’s goes in and they listen to us over school.

Vebrithien · 05/02/2024 06:21

I work as part of a huge multi-academy trust, and all the school in the MAT also celebrate BHM in October.

I've not heard of it being celebrated in January, locally.

Edited: for typo

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NitroNine · 05/02/2024 05:24

I admit was almost grudgingly impressed they’re i. doing Black History Month & ii. doing it in October (crack on & do it in January if you’re in the US/another country where it’s appropriate; if you’re in the UK, BHM = October 😠) but then remembered preventing the bar from being a trip hazard isn’t worthy of positive feedback 🤦‍♀️

Vebrithien · 04/02/2024 22:44

Dear @Xiaoxiong

Please do use whatever resources from here that you need.

I also have other threads (No Outsiders, Captured DepHead and Break it down, contacting schools) which also have lots.of references and resources in them.

As far as I am aware, no human has ever been medically recorded as having both testes and ovaries.

People with DSDs (disorders of sexual development) are either one sex or the other.

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Xiaoxiong · 04/02/2024 22:21

@Vebrithien thank you for posting these resources here - a handy reference.

I have a call coming up with the new PSHE teacher and my DS's school, who in a talk on the curriculum stated that there are people who are "neither the male biological sex nor the female biological sex", and also conflated being trans with a sexual orientation.

I like the teacher and support the teaching of PSHE as a general rule, but I fear I may have to quote some of your references above...

Chariothorses · 04/02/2024 22:05

What is very worrying is that some children are believing trans activist teachers who say that males who wear female clothing change sex/' transwomen are women' - it was the reason the little girl victim in the andrew/amy miller abuse abduction and rape case said she got into his car, and then she was assaulted. But male pattern criminality doesn't change . Many cots know this but other children don't understand. Its a massive safeguarding issue .

ScrollingLeaves · 04/02/2024 21:55

I just wanted to add that the co-opting of the child in the story’s duty of caring for all the cats, together with what could, in the child’s mind, be a duty to be dad’s caretaker, is morally wrong. It is not a child’s duty to look after a transitioning man with the care needed for cats and kittens. Year 4 is still too young to see through this emotional blackmail.

Likewise, if the child is so young as to feel their own Teddy would give dad solace in hospital after his operation, the child is too young to be involved at all in this whole transition especially if someone tells this child- who in the book may be a boy - that dad has had his penis amputated.

Chariothorses · 04/02/2024 21:24

Thanks- ' how to help children of transitioners' also covers this on the cots website. The school absolutely should not be using this book as it it conflicts with legal peotections for cots, is a breach of safeguarding and leads to even more bullying of cots in school and online for not submitting to lies about sex.

Vebrithien · 04/02/2024 21:17

Thank you @Chariothorses

Never fear. I, and my fearless mum friends will absolutely speak up.

I was threatened with the police last year, by DD's school, for talking to other parents about my concerns.

We still carried our point!

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Chariothorses · 04/02/2024 21:12

Hi op, this is strategy by Stonewall/ Lgbt groups- as they have now lost in the Uk supreme court and the Echr to remove children of transpeople's legal and human rights to name their father, they are trying to use books, workplace schemes etc.
Recommend you look up the childrenoftransitioners website- the articles you need are 'paperwork' and 'the invisible mother' and 'six children'.
Few cots call their dad mum and schools should not be subjecting Cot children to this coercive control, mental trauma and fear. As the Uk supreme court judge said, this is a welfare issue for cots. Please speak up- its one of the reasons the new school guidance is so vital.

Vebrithien · 04/02/2024 20:58

We've met and chatted today. I think the biggest issue is the feeling of betrayal. The school is meant to share any RSE resources used. My friend only found out after the event.

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Vebrithien · 04/02/2024 20:57

Yes, BHM in October.
Apparently one of DHM or Disability Pride Month, but my friend can't remember which.

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NitroNine · 04/02/2024 15:49

Does the school celebrate Black History Month in October? Doing it in January = inappropriate as we’re not the US; not doing it is hugely concerning on a whole range of levels. I found it peculiar when I moved from primary to secondary & the latter didn’t acknowledge Black History Month. No excuse in the 2020s; & this disproportionate focus on one protected characteristic (3.1% English & Welsh population = not heterosexual & due to the Census being a clusterfuck, we still don’t know how many trans people there are in the UK - the 2018 guesswork puts it at 0.3 to 0.8% of the population) is inexcusable.

24% of the UK’s population have a disability; & 4% of the population of England & Wales are black. (Would be so helpful if the composite parts of the UK would agree a date for the census, at least; & allow aggregation of some statistics at/by Westminster - so looking at the actual UK without having to do maths my life is frankly too short for would be possible.) Disability hate crime is not only at shocking levels, it is woefully under-prosecuted, particularly when compared to the pursuit of (transphobic) non-crime hate-incidents. Both racism & ableism are pervasive in UK society & education won’t magically change that; but a lack of education is an issue.

Vebrithien · 04/02/2024 13:01

Sadly, am more of a coffee-a-saurus, but very much appreciated @Boiledbeetle 😁

I suspect my MP feels that same too, unless chr has already blocked me!

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Boiledbeetle · 04/02/2024 12:06

@Vebrithien nothing to add, just giving you a bump and bringing you a nice cup of tea. You keep at it!

The school must dread getting correspondence from you 😁

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Froodwithatowel · 03/02/2024 21:27

The subtext of pronouns good/right is in itself politically biased. How does that work for freedom of thought and a duty of balance and impartiality? How does that work too for young kids whose parents hold different beliefs?

And yes, totally, to how much this may Disneyfy and silence a child who is shattered by what is going on at home and is having to live the very hard reality that doesn't have glittery happy happy and shiny niceness. When the book has laid down the script of what they are supposed to think and feel.

Dodgy on multiple fronts.

Vebrithien · 03/02/2024 21:16

I realise this is mostly just a stream of consciousness of resources and references now!

My friend and I will draft a complaint, and she will send it, along with some other mums from the school who want to complain.

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Vebrithien · 03/02/2024 21:14

Gender critical beliefs are protected in law, under the Equality Act, as shown by Forstater v Centre for Global Development Europe, where gender critical beliefs were shown to have passed the Grainger test, and are "worthy of respect in a democratic society"

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Vebrithien · 03/02/2024 21:13

The RSE "guiding principles have been that all of the compulsory subject
content must be age appropriate and developmentally appropriate. It must be taught
sensitively and inclusively, with respect to the backgrounds and beliefs of pupils and parents"

Page 4, RSE guidance 2020

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Vebrithien · 03/02/2024 21:13

Schools have a legal duty to remain politically impartial, and must not promote partisan political views, but should offer a balanced presentation of opposing views.

The author is a prominent trans rights activist, and to use this book without another from the gender critical viewpoint, the school is not being politically impartial. Given the recent guidance released for consultation by the government relating to gender questioning children in schools, this is clearly a political issue.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/political-impartiality-in-schools

Political impartiality in schools

Explains schools’ legal duties on political impartiality to help school leaders, teachers and other staff consider these in teaching and extra-curricular activities.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/political-impartiality-in-schools

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Justme56 · 03/02/2024 12:58

I often take things from the perspective of ‘what if there was child in the class who…’ For example, when DSDs are brought up, and you are the child with a condition how would you feel if someone started with the ‘you’re not really a girl’ argument. I think the same applies here. What if you are a child in a class whose dad has now decided to identify as a TW (or any family member). Imagine the various emotions the child is going through. Dad has started wearing women’s clothes, painting his nails etc. He now wants me to call him she. Everything you thought you knew about dad has changed. Quite possibly mum is devastated. I often wonder how the teachers who read these books would react if it was their husband or father? How they would deal with their own children? Would they just read them this and say it’s all fine. Sadly I don’t think it’s quite that simple.