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Why is Mumsnet so GC?

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ireallycantthinkofaname · 03/02/2024 00:18

Maybe an odd question but I've never come across another space, online or otherwise, where being GC is the norm. IRL I only ever discuss GC views openly with one family member, whose stance on it is similar to my own, though, so I'm not saying it's unwelcome.... Just curious how/why it's come about. Any thoughts or theories?

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Helleofabore · 22/02/2024 10:03

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gwen stefani bananas GIF
Helleofabore · 22/02/2024 10:02

This shit is bananas! B A N A N A S!

RethinkingLife · 22/02/2024 10:00

Red's recent posts and Datun's comment summary

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4999488-why-is-mumsnet-so-gc?reply=133215788&

has reminded me of Iris Child's I Will Not Say It

what if I am in your space?
would you say it to my face?

what if all the legal courts
say I can be in your sports?

what if laws are made for me
stopping you from stopping me?

…
say it!
say it!
make it true
say that I am just like you

I do not want to tell a lie
and say that you're the same as I
…
I will not say it just for you
I will not say what isn't true
I will not say it from a jail

I will always know you're …

https://irischild.blogspot.com/2018/09/i-will-not-say-it-tran-i-am.html

I will not say it, tran-I-am

I am woman you are man we cannot change that, tran-I-am you'd make me say that we're the same I do not want to play that game but w...

https://irischild.blogspot.com/2018/09/i-will-not-say-it-tran-i-am.html

Boiledbeetle · 22/02/2024 10:00

JacksonLambsEatIvy · 22/02/2024 09:42

Part 2. The conclusion is a masterpiece.

Beware the quantum fallacy lest we find ourselves lost in a tenderness void, clutching our bananas for dear life.

Edited

I don't have a banana to clutch!

I'm doomed!

That was an absolute joy to read!

Helleofabore · 22/02/2024 10:00

Well Red, it is remarkably messy, complex, pyschodelically swirling, manifold, labyrinthine, recondite, and intricate, so none of us can explain sex. We cannot recognise it under any efforts to disguise it.

DialSquare · 22/02/2024 09:58

It's the majority of Transwomen clutching their bananas for dear life that got us in to this mess in the first place.

JacksonLambsEatIvy · 22/02/2024 09:57

ErrolTheDragon · 22/02/2024 09:55

copilot has got it completely arse about face attributing that to feminists though!

I know. Even the LLM couldn’t figure out what any of the positions might actually be.

ErrolTheDragon · 22/02/2024 09:55

copilot has got it completely arse about face attributing that to feminists though!

RedToothBrush · 22/02/2024 09:54

'Lost in a genderless void clutching our bananas'

Are they metaphorical bananas, actual bananas or a euphamism using bananas?

RedToothBrush · 22/02/2024 09:50

JacksonLambsEatIvy · 22/02/2024 08:28

‘When we exist in public’.

The use of the word exist there is weird and indicative of how weirdly BH uses it in all the (many) statements BH makes about ‘existence’ and ‘existing’.

All this existential angst, while most of the world goes about just being male or female and getting on with life!

All whilst trying to erase the concept of sex and biology and the issues that stem from that.

Ariana12 · 22/02/2024 09:48

This is the key reason why I love Mumsnet: Loads of other women who are sex realists and who are prepared to say so. Though TBH in real life generally everyone I speak to thinks like me. It's just that the language has been twisted so much that people don't realise what we're talking about. E.g most people don't realise that transwomen are men.

Helleofabore · 22/02/2024 09:45

JacksonLambsEatIvy · 22/02/2024 09:41

I didn’t want to wait so I asked copilot to do it for BH. And oh did it deliver!

I spat my smoothie out laughing!

It is like a creative writing course meets a science thesis! I think I need to get copilot to write my posts from now on. It’d be entertaining at least.

JacksonLambsEatIvy · 22/02/2024 09:44

Girlontherailreplacementbusservice · 22/02/2024 09:38

Really? Do you look forward to root canal work at the dentist too?

No.

But it’s probably more like gawking at a car crash than going to the dentist.

JacksonLambsEatIvy · 22/02/2024 09:42

Part 2. The conclusion is a masterpiece.

Beware the quantum fallacy lest we find ourselves lost in a tenderness void, clutching our bananas for dear life.

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Why is Mumsnet so GC?
JacksonLambsEatIvy · 22/02/2024 09:41

I didn’t want to wait so I asked copilot to do it for BH. And oh did it deliver!

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Girlontherailreplacementbusservice · 22/02/2024 09:38

JacksonLambsEatIvy · 22/02/2024 09:35

Admittedly I am looking forward to reading 15 paragraphs of verbose nonsense about how quantum flickering means we can’t have single sex provision.

Really? Do you look forward to root canal work at the dentist too?

JacksonLambsEatIvy · 22/02/2024 09:35

Admittedly I am looking forward to reading 15 paragraphs of verbose nonsense about how quantum flickering means we can’t have single sex provision.

JacksonLambsEatIvy · 22/02/2024 09:32

Boiledbeetle · 22/02/2024 09:27

One second you are there, the next you aren't!

Who knew!

Indeed, dipping in and out of existence there.

Got to be careful. I might just stop existing at inopportune moments.

Datun · 22/02/2024 09:30

I imagine it's also a result of trying to explain the deliberately unexplainable.

When your premise is bollocks, clear, straightforward language doesn't work. That's why it's all constellations and shifting sands.

And when you're trying to justify the unjustifiable, going all round the houses and fudging is your only option.

Girlontherailreplacementbusservice · 22/02/2024 09:29

@Helleofabore oh they have definitely read the 'women use X words per day, men use less than half that number' statistic and decided they need to use allllllll the words so they are in the women category.
Hair, heel, lipstick, wittering on - that is the essence of woman forget that exclusionary biology nonsense.

Boiledbeetle · 22/02/2024 09:27

JacksonLambsEatIvy · 22/02/2024 08:46

Are there some points where are in public, not existing?

Do we blink in and out of existence?

I’m sure I’ll get back some reductionist, non-sequitur, dreadfully explained and poorly understood physics theory back from BH.

One second you are there, the next you aren't!

Who knew!

Why is Mumsnet so GC?
Helleofabore · 22/02/2024 09:05

I am thinking that writing in an overly emotive, emotional, and hyperbolic and so overly dramatic style is something that some male people consider ‘feminine’ too. Like it is them being ‘girlie’ or in touch with their feminine side.

Of course, that would just be just bollocks.

However, the hyperbole and drama that flows in some extreme trans activist posts, tweets, interviews etc seems too common to not hold some significance. Maybe it is just because the activism has fallen into this drama fueled speech pattern because it is emotionally manipulative and because they think people will simply agree to stop the drama rising. Or that people will listen and respond to that emotion with caring and giving in.

When ‘big words’ are added, It really seems like speaking to a mid-aged teenager who is still overly emotional but is also trying to speak like an adult. Either way, it doesn’t help credibility at all so I don’t know why these activists do it. I guess that is why there are so many at the protests who don’t even understand what the people they are protesting believe. All part of that drama, isn’t it?

elgreco · 22/02/2024 08:57

We are very good at seeing people's sex. Women are better than men on average. Clothes and makeup delay the process by a few seconds. Myself and the children have started playing spot the transperson on " first dates". We always get it right.

JacksonLambsEatIvy · 22/02/2024 08:46

Are there some points where are in public, not existing?

Do we blink in and out of existence?

I’m sure I’ll get back some reductionist, non-sequitur, dreadfully explained and poorly understood physics theory back from BH.

Emotionalsupportviper · 22/02/2024 08:43

Merrymouse · 21/02/2024 19:04

I’ve lost track - logically if the sex binary doesn’t exist, what is a trans woman identifying as?

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And why would they need to trans?

Surely we'd all be just non-differentiated amorphous blobs - a bit like amoeba, but larger, and with skeletons.

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