Why is Mumsnet so GC?

Can I also suggest that you read what you wrote very carefully.

"I'm sorry it conflicts with your ideology but this axiomatic stance doesn't always match reality. My sister has two children. I've been in their lives since birth. Both of them are very, very blunt and full of questions about the world and would not hesitate to mention if they had even the slightest inclination that my sex at birth was male. Neither of them has ever had the slightest hint; we've never needed to mention it to them because there has been no reason to do so."

This sounds just like a mind experiment being done on two children. And you seem proud of this. Or do you like to sugar coat that action and declare it as being about privacy and children who are 'indoctrinated' by adults who live by 'ideological' principles are simply being shaped to be more tolerant and kind. By being denied truth in their learnings.

Please, do tell us what the philosophical term is for that. I am all ears.

I've seen niblings used to mean nieces and nephews.

It really seems that there is difficulty is being aware of anything outside of something that has direct impact on self and a definite lack of ability to critically think through stuff that some activists read being highlighted here. I think I was probably like this in my teens when simply regurgitating stuff to pass exams. I must admit that I didn't process stuff until I had left school and had time to process it all because of my living situation at the time.

But this really feels like seeing those indoctrinated conversations on social media between activists. The spreading of misinformation while never actually processing facts and making the connections that then lead to deeper understanding. All while existing in a bubble of affirmation where anything that resembles reality has been consigned as hate and lies.

Niblings

Two wee sprogs who've been gaslit told since birth that Aunty Butters is female, have never thought to question it. Well, fancy that.

My parents told me about Father Christmas and the Easter bunny.

Rogue apostrophe

*what’s the collective noun for nieces and nephews?🤔 Is there a word equivalent to siblings?

How old are your nieces/nephews* Butterfly?

They are very very blunt and ask a lot of questions but you don’t honour that with honesty. What will you do when they ask a question like “why can’t Aunty Butterfly have children?” Will you lie?

What will you do when they eventually find out you’re male?

I'm not sure we need to pay too much mind to Butters' self-serving "and everyone clapped" anecdotes.

Gosh.... and what is coded to produce those hormones that then act on those receptive cells....

Are you now attempting to weaponise CAIS in your arguments here?

Even male bodies that cannot use the testosterone being produced have male cues. Because. ... genetics. This has also been identified and things like height is well known here.

And even when a male then pumps their body with hormones to create 'female' cues, those male cues do not disappear. Who the fuck has led you to believe this?

So, no. Your arguments are again not based in science.

And your accusations of 'ideology' are simply projection.

lol there’s loads of things my “brutally honest”* child would say to people if I didn’t tell her under no circumstances should she 😂

*self described by child

This made me smile, bravo!

You really don't see things at all with clear and unimpeded ego can you.

Your sister's children have been told YOU are somehow female. They have been taught this by your sister and YOU!

That you cannot see this is fucking concerning.

That you cannot comprehend that people doing things to smooth YOUR way have led you to believe things that simply are not true is most likely wrong on their part, but obviously they are either so deeply entrenched in your ideology themselves OR they are oblivious to the repercussions of simply letting people believe things because of kindness.

This isn't hard to understand at all. Your siblings children have been taught to ignore their own instincts because their family is being kind to you.

This is just another example of male entitlement. That and the fact that you cannot even see what happened.

I'm sorry it conflicts with your ideology but this axiomatic stance doesn't always match reality. My sister has two children. I've been in their lives since birth. Both of them are very, very blunt and full of questions about the world and would not hesitate to mention if they had even the slightest inclination that my sex at birth was male. Neither of them has ever had the slightest hint; we've never needed to mention it to them because there has been no reason to do so.

We do not observe genetic sex in day to day life. We observe the results of sex hormones on receptive cells.

No idea. But I’ve decided a name change is in order. I will be featuring in future threads as ClutchingOurBananas.

I used to think sometimes when I was driving that I'd forgotten to turn my visibility on. It all makes sense now, I must have left my existence in my other coat (or @Boiledbeetle was eating cake).

I once wrote 'hi, I'm Olly, will you be my friend?' on an orange. No-one could bring themselves to eat it.

How have I not known of the existence of this until now?

I now want a banana purely so that I can call it Keith!

Plus if I eat a whole cake in one sitting will @IcakethereforeIam temporarily blink out of existence?

Don't be so old fashioned and bigoted. Words can mean whatever you want them mean. It so hateful for everyone to insist that fish means fins and scales and living in water. My dog self IDs as a fish so fishes can have legs and fur and live on land.
See it's easy, let go of the 'meaning' nonsense and you will feel so much better.

has reminded me of Iris Child's I Will Not Say It

It's a great poem, and I remember Julia Long reading it at one of the first Standing for Women events.

Well, it's no 'My lovely horse', but it should have won.

Cake is the universal anaesthetic.

They don't realise that the X words a day that women use are 98% referring to other people/things - discussing work, sorting doctors appointments, talking to schools, comforting bereaved people, conversations how best to help elderly parents, sorting out mistakes with online orders, booking a plumber, and yes - sharing a bit of fun with friends.

All of these conversations involve more words than "ME, ME, ME, ME, ME, BIGOT, ME, ME, ME, ME, ME, ME, ME, TERF, ME, ME, ME, ME, ME, MISGENDERING, ME, ME, ME, ME, ME, LITERAL VIOLENCE, ME, ME, ME, other random salad , ME, ME, ME etc"

Words have meanings . . .

Even the LLM couldn’t figure out what any of the positions might actually be.

Unfortunately the very word 'feminist' has been co-opted and redefined to include males.

I am sure you will be OK as long as you have cake. 🍰

I think this occasion calls for some Eurovision.

I give to you the delight that is Subwoolfer - Give That Wolf a Banana

Check out the lyrics!

It's just something else to remember before I leave the house; coat, keys, phone, bag, purse, banana, existence.